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Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Your reply is not aesthetically pleasing and, therefore, not entertaining. Bunk science, as in 'contrail science', is always boring. Minnis, the fair-haired boy of 'contrail science', is rather transparent. Further, I'm tired of studies of chemtrails being trotted out as studies of contrails.
The Beatles "I'm so tired"
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Or someone could sample a small number of "chemtrails" to show that they exist in the first place, rather than requiring that every contrail be sampled to show they do not exist.
This doesn't work for me because your entire theory of outrageously persistent contrails is based on an assumption. So it's not a question of showing that persistent contrails, of perhaps 15 minutes, exist...that was shown in WWII. It's a question of showing that the things that persist for hours and hours and expand from willful grids to cover an entire American sky are contrails because they meet no WWII contrail parameters.
Further, your usual smoke and mirrors (smoke as in WWII and mirrors as in nano aluminum) is boring. Bring something real to the table.
So how about you go right ahead and show us all that persistent contrails are anything but a contrail. Please. I'm begging.
Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
reply to post by luxordelphi
It is a waste product of profits,
they don't want us to complain about the waste products, of profit.
Corporations have always found a need to defend the waste from profit,
and ridicule anyone that points it out.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Your reply is not aesthetically pleasing and, therefore, not entertaining. Bunk science, as in 'contrail science', is always boring. Minnis, the fair-haired boy of 'contrail science', is rather transparent. Further, I'm tired of studies of chemtrails being trotted out as studies of contrails.
The Beatles "I'm so tired"
Originally posted by DirtyLiberalHippie
reply to post by luxordelphi
How do they do it? Perhaps there is nothing for them to escape from...
Popular or not, that is where I stand.
Peace and love.edit on 26-9-2012 by DirtyLiberalHippie because: (no reason given)
your low boredom threshold for facts is not my problem - but it is entertaining and gives me another opportunity to highlight your disinfo, baseless assertions, fasle accusations, lack of evidence and inability to discuss an issue
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by flyswatter
So how about you go right ahead and show us all that persistent contrails are anything but a contrail. Please. I'm begging.
You first, slim. Try supporting your claims and we'll talk.
p.s.: there's no such thing as 'contrail science' - it's a buzz word(s).
The myth of outrageously persistent contrails has become a danger to Americans because it illogically pooh poohs the very real biological consequences of breathing nano size heavy metals.
So far, in the years of threads on ATS, no evidence of outrageously persistent contrails has been offerred.
In order to prove that the sky grids now persistently over American skies are composed of 'normal' contrails, a string of parameters need to be shown as met. These parameters are impossible to show short of flying behind each supposed contrail product and sampling temperature, humidity, particle saturation, exhaust heat, storm front potential and altitude.
You're on the right track here, imo, but leaving out chemtrails and their connection to the middle east and failing to account for their advent coincidental with the middle east wars is going to put you way off the scent.
p.s.: there's no such thing as 'contrail science' - it's a buzz word(s).
I have seen plenty of pictures posted by by chemtrail believers of persistent contrails.
If you breathe in nano size heavy metal particles, you got a problem.
The researchers already have experience using plasma channels to modify the weather: in 2008, they demonstrated that a beam from their high-powered portable 'Teramobile laser' could be fired into thunder clouds, triggering an electric discharge.
In light of this history, current techniques that shoot laser beams or launch chemicals into the sky for the same purpose seem to be just the latest manifestation of this goal.
Nevertheless, these cloud seeding techniques are controversial, both for their effectiveness at inducing rainfall and for their possible harmful side effects.
“Making rain would also require the production of an adequate number density of particles. If there are too few particles, we would only get a few drops at most. On the other hand, if there are too many particles, they will compete with each other to grab the water molecules available in the atmosphere. Ultimately, none of them will grow sufficiently to make raindrops, which may even reduce precipitation.
So there is no advent of chemtrailing coincidental to Middle East Wars.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Grids, X's, loops etc. started to appear regularly in American skies in the 1990's and 2000's. For me, I first noticed them in 2003 or 2004. It was like anything else that hadn't been seen before; it was like...what's this?
Originally posted by luxordelphi
1. It's not harmful.
Agent Orange wasn't harmful until it was. Asbestos wasn't harmful until it was. GMO wasn't harmful until...Fluoride wasn't harmful until...Aluminum wasn't harmful until...Nano particles weren't harmful until...etc. etc. etc.
The harmful effects of some of these substances were officially denied and denied and denied again and again with studies paid for by vested interests.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
reply to post by luxordelphi
It is a waste product of profits,
they don't want us to complain about the waste products, of profit.
Corporations have always found a need to defend the waste from profit,
and ridicule anyone that points it out.
And that's just about as right as it gets. Just like radioactive waste is safe enough to transport on American highways. And it'll always be safe enough as long as there's profit in it. And government sanction, i.e. allegedly for global security, increases the profit umbrella because those objecting can be classed as terrorists and run out of town on a rail.
But......Politicians do have to breath the same air that Soldiers, blue collar workers, and GMO farmers breath. There is no getting around that unless they wear masks,and I think somebody, somewhere, might have seen that and questioned it.
“Making rain would also require the production of an adequate number density of particles. If there are too few particles, we would only get a few drops at most. On the other hand, if there are too many particles, they will compete with each other to grab the water molecules available in the atmosphere. Ultimately, none of them will grow sufficiently to make raindrops, which may even reduce precipitation.
I take it you believe Carnicorn and Thomas are true scientists. Fine. My only question to you at this point is: Why has there been no lawsuit filed over the chemtrails?
Grids, X's, loops etc. started to appear regularly in American skies in the 1990's and 2000's. For me, I first noticed them in 2003 or 2004. It was like anything else that hadn't been seen before; it was like...what's this? At that time, Carnicom had already done a lot of research and he had put his findings on the internet. He was saying that the parameters for persistent contrail formation were not being met, i.e. temperature and humidity, and yet sky grids were escalating. In that same time frame, Thomas began talking about chemtrails and went on to investigate and talk about 'smart' particles. Coincidental with these investigations, subsidies and encouragement and safety were given to the budding nano tech. research/industries.
If someone is going to dump their waste above my head, block my sunlight, and have affects on the weather, I should get something in return.
Living organisms require trace amounts of some heavy metals, including cobalt, copper, manganese, molybdenum, vanadium, strontium, and zinc, but excessive levels can be detrimental to the organism.
During World War II, the U.S. government began stockpiling celestite for defense applications.
In 1963, Congress determined that the stockpile was unnecessary, and by 1973, all of the stockpiled high-grade celestite was sold.
The remaining low-grade celestite material, approximately 12,000 metric tons, has been listed by the Defense National Stockpile Center of the Defense Logistics Agency as valueless.
In 1998, Congress authorized the remaining stockpile for disposal.
The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) estimated U.S. resources of celestite and strontianite at 2,500,000 tons, containing 1,130,000 tons of strontium (Adams 1975). However, domestic deposits of these minerals are not economically exploitable, and strontium has not been mined in the United States since 1959.