The Flat Earth theory, With Interviews from believers

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posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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Fascinating.

I wonder how they explain flying around the globe, or sailing around it. Or Newtonian physics.

I guess if people can believe in religion this shouldn't be surprising, it is no less delusional.

Thanks for the post it has certainly got me thinking.




posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by Firewater
Wrong. I find that statement to be down right disrespectful.

Disrespectful? I only said that the concepts are the same. It's quite neutral, really.
The fact that they are usually ridiculous I didn't say (until now).



To compare this "Flat Earth theory" with any of the popular theories discussed regularly on ATS, is completely ridiculous.

Isn't that a bit disrespectful to say...?



You want to know the difference? How many "flat earth" threads have been posted up to this date, on this site? A year from now, i'd bet the answer is exactly the same.

Is that how you want me to know the difference? The number of threads about it on this site? Seriously?
You are aware that there are plenty more real conspiracies outside of this site than there are theories on this site. Yet they are more real than the theories on this site, even though they get zero threads.
And why do they get zero threads? Because people aren't interested in how Margaret, 43, did not get that new position in Company Inc because of a conspiracy. Or how some less known sports-"star" was traded away in a shady way.



I actually feel sorry for these people. Their is so much to be learned in a lifetime.

I agree, creating conspiracy theories or believing in that created fiction really is wasteful.



So much to absorb. Such wasted potential.

Not so sure about the potential part, thinking of the way they are operating.



Knowledge = Power

Except Ignorance seems to take the upper hand when people fall for conspiracy theories.



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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The earth is NOT flat, you can simply send this baby up into the atmosphere and see for yourself.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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I found that website many years back.
If you want an entertaining read go to it! Look at some of the theories on gravity.
Oh yeah, they say the earth is flat, but all the other planets are round, and the sun and moon are disks!




posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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ok, A "serious" question for those holding up the flat earth end of the argument. How would a flat earther, explain the sun, out transit around the sun, night and day. The sun sets below an "infinate plane" illogical. The earth rises from the edge of an "infinate plane" illogical. What about satelites? They orbit the earth. If they were going round and round in circles, then they would need some kind of guidence system. This is something which can be proven by looking at the plans to a sat, and gazing in wonderment at the total lack of steering.
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posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 08:59 AM
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See...now this is one of the big reasons I joined ATS...not for all the political threads of late, but just an interesting read, on a, well, interesting belief. Much like the hollow earth theory...I'm not a subscriber to either, and I often wonder how people can steadfastly believe these, however, no different than believing in bigfoot, UFO's or anything else...thanks for the interesting thread.



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:00 AM
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They have answers for that and more. Seriously, give it a read.



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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Alot of you are posting questions about various topics like the shape of the moon, where does the sun go.
There really is to much info on all that to go into here.

Sufice it to say, they have an answer for EVERYTHING. And some of their theories are........well, Ill just be nice and say "out there".



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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Here we go, this should save some time:

Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"

Circumference: 125,829 km (78,186 miles) Diameter: 40,073 km (24,900 miles)

In both the Davis and the Bishop model, the Earth is an infinite plane.

Q: "What about the stars, sun and moon and other planets? Are they flat too? What are they made of?"

A: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, rotate at a height of 3,000 miles above sea level. As they are spotlights, they only illuminate certain places. This explains why there are nights and days on Earth. The stars are at a height of 3,100 miles above sea level, which is as far as from San Francisco to Boston. In the dark energy model, the celestial bodies are spherical and are made of ordinary matter. These spheres are being held above the Earth by DE.

In the McIntyre model, the sun and the moon are metallic discs instead. These discs are being held above the Earth by photoelectric effect. See: Photoelectric Suspension Theory. The celestial bodies are also being suspended above the Earth by photoelectric effect in the Bishop model.

Q: "Why are other planets round, but not the Earth?"

A: The Earth is not one of the other planets. The Earth is special and unlike the other bodies in numerous ways.

Q: "Please explain sunrises and sunsets."

A: It is a perspective effect. The sun is just getting farther away: it looks like it is disappearing because everything gets smaller, and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

UPDATE:The theory of Electromagnetic Acceleration is currently being developed and reviewed by members. Once completed, Electromagnetic Acceleration will be used as an alternative in explaining sunrises, sunsets and horizons for the dark energy model only.

Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A: Since sustained spaceflight is not possible, satellites cannot orbit the Earth. The signals we supposedly receive from them are either broadcast from towers or any number of possible pseudolites. However, temporary space-flight is possible.

Q: "What is underneath the Earth?"

A: This is unknown. Most FE proponents believe that it is generally composed of rocks. Please note that in Hinduism, the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.

Q: "What about gravity?"

A1: In the dark energy model, DE accelerates the Earth and all celestial bodies in the universe at 9.81m/s2. This is commonly known as Universal Acceleration, which produces the same effect as "gravity" in our local reference frame. See: Equivalence Principle.

A2: In both the McIntyre and the Bishop model, the Earth is being pushed up by the Universal Accelerator underneath it at 9.8m/s2. This mediates observable gravitational effects in our local reference frame.

A3: In the Davis model, the infinite plane produces a finite gravitational field with a downward pull. Click here for the mathematical formulation behind this model.

Q: "Aren't the accelerating Earth models flawed? Wouldn't planes crash into the Earth as it rises up to them?"

A: No. By the same argument, we could ask why planes do not crash into the Earth as they accelerate down towards it. The reason a plane does not crash is that its wings produce lift: when the rate of acceleration upwards equals that of gravity's pull downwards, lift causes the plane to remain at a constant altitude.

The same thing happens if the Earth is accelerating up. The plane is accelerating upwards at the same rate as the Earth, which means the distance between them does not change. Therefore, the plane stays at the same height and does not crash.

Q: "If the Earth's acceleration is constant, wouldn't it be traveling faster than light eventually?"

A: The equations of Special Relativity prevent an object with mass from reaching or passing the speed of light. Due to this restriction, these equations prove that the Earth can accelerate at a constant rate forever in our reference frame and never reach the speed of light. Click here for an in depth explanation.

Q: "In the accelerating Earth models, why does a feather fall slower than a bowling ball?"

A: It is due to air resistance. The Earth accelerates the air, and the air in turn accelerates the feather up faster than the bowling ball. In our reference frame, it appears that the feather is falling slower than the bowling ball.

Q: "In the accelerating Earth models, how does one reach terminal velocity?"

A: Once the acceleration of the object is equal to the acceleration of the Earth, the object reaches terminal velocity.

Q: "Wouldn't the Earth crunch up into itself and eventually transform into a ball if it's indeed a disc?"

A: The dark energy model assumes that the Earth does not possess a gravitational field. What we know as "gravity" is provided by the acceleration of the Earth.
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posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:14 AM
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More, cause I havent read this stuff in a while and Im having fun.


Q: "Why doesn't water run off the Earth?"

A: There is a vast "ice wall" that keeps the water where it is. This explains why you can find a vast plane of ice as you travel southward. The wall is roughly 150ft high. In the McIntyre model, however, the height of the wall increases further as one moves toward the edge of the world.

Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model.

Q: "Wouldn't the atmosphere be diffused into space?"

A1: In the dark energy model, there is a vector field between DE and the Earth. It is known as the DEF, which acts as a containment or barrier that ceases any interactions between DE and objects on Earth. This is why the atmolayer will not be diffused into space. Here is an explanation on the DEF's structure by one of our moderators.

A2: In the McIntyre model, the greater ice wall holds the atmolayer in place. The existence of the greater ice wall is documented in the works of Rowbotham.

A3: In the Bishop model, the containment of the atmolayer is explained by the Atmolayer Lip Hypothesis.

Q: "How does global warming affect the ice wall?"

A: In the dark energy model, the wall is a mountain range. It just happens to be covered in ice and snow.

Q: "What about tides?"

A: The gravitational pull of the celestial bodies provides tidal effects. Others believe that there is an object called the Sub-moon that sits underneath the Earth. The moon causes the tides, and the Sub-moon balances out the effect.

Q : "Why is the North pole colder than the equator?"

A: The sun circles over the equator, so the poles do not receive the same intensity of light.

Q: "How do volcanic eruptions happen?"

A: The Earth is thick enough to have a core of molten lava. Once there is too much of it in too confined a space, it finds its way out, just like the water will come out of a full bottle if you squeeze it too hard.

Q: "What about time zones?"

A: The sun is a spotlight which shines light on a concentrated area, so not everywhere on Earth will be lit at once. Times zones exist so that everyone's clock will be at 12:00 around the time the sun is approximately directly overhead.

Q: "What about Lunar Eclipses?"

A: A celestial body, known as the antimoon, passes between the sun and moon. This projects a shadow upon the moon.

Q: "How come the travel time by air from South America to New Zealand, via the polar route, is SHORTER than the travel time going North first and then South again?"

A: The airline pilots are guided by their GPS. Remember that satellites do not exist. The replacement data given from pseudolites deliberately throwing distorting all the paths to make it the flights take different times. The curvature of these paths can add or subtract great distances without the overall turning being obvious to someone traveling it.

Q: "How can a compass work on a Flat Earth?"

A: In the dark energy model, the magnetic field is generated in the same fashion as the RE (Diagram). The magnetic south pole is near the geographic north pole, while the magnetic north pole is on the underside of the Earth. The ice wall is not the south pole, but acts as it, as it is the furthest from the center of the earth that you can follow the magnetic field. The field is vertical in this area, accounting for the aurora australis.

Q: "When traveling in a straight direction, you will always reach the same point on the globe from where you started. How can this happen if the world is flat?"

A: You need to have evidence for this to be true. Also, define "straight." Remember, the northern point on the compass is pointing toward the center of the Earth. If you follow your compass due east or due west, ending up at the same point you started from, you have just gone around the world in a circle. Thus, circumnavigation is possible on FE.

Q: "If you go directly south won't you eventually fall off the edge of the Earth?"

A: Yes, you will. In order to use this fact as proof you need to record a video of someone flying directly south around the world without falling off the edge. Furthermore you need to prove that your navigational equipment allows you to travel directly south without deviating.

Q: "How come when I flush my toilet in the northern hemisphere it goes counterclockwise but I have this friend in Australia and when he flushes it goes clockwise?"

A: You are mistaken. The Coriolis effect adds at most one (counter)clockwise rotation per day, and fewer as you get closer to the equator. The water in your toilet spins much faster than that (at least once per minute, or 1440 times per day), so the additional or lost rotation from the Coriolis effect would not be noticed.
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posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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I just want the T-Shirt!

2nd line says XXL preeze.



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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This is the greatest BS I´ve ever read. I mean, really stars are 3.000 miles above earth surface? Sure! I wonder if those people still live in fear, the heaven might fall on their head?



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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I'm sure this has been put forward, but, if we are flat then so is everything else, surely, so, how come whenour amateur astronomers view planets through their scopes, all the planets are looking at us. are they pervs? (half serious)



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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I'm sure this has been put forward, but, if we are flat then so is everything else, surely, so, how come whenour amateur astronomers view planets through their scopes, all the planets are looking at us. are they pervs? (half serious)



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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This is the most retarded and ridiculous thing I have heard about in quite some time.

Do they have a flat piece of Pumpernickel for brains ?



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by dawnbreaks
The earth is NOT flat, you can simply send this baby up into the atmosphere and see for yourself.

www.youtube.com...


stop the video at 4 minutes flat....



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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m.youtube.com...

Pretty good thread. I heard about this a few years ago and wondered most of the ordinary questions. The seasons moon phases eclipses all of that can be explained. Just not with what they gave you in school.

"Most people who accept that the Earth is in motion believe it is a proven fact. They do not realize that not only has the motion of the Earth never been proven, but by the constructs of modern physics and cosmology cannot be proven. Again, even modern cosmology does not claim to be able to prove that the Earth is in motion. In fact the very best argument for Earth’s motion is based on pure ‘modesty’ not logic, observation and experience. If anyone could prove the Earth’s motion, that someone would become more famous than Einstein, Hawking and others. They may all be fools but even they would not make such an ignorant claim to proof of Earth’s motions, and those who do so don’t realize just how ignorant of physics they really are! Before folks go demonstrating how ignorant they are, they should consider: 1. The relationship between Mach’s principle and relativity. 2. The relationship between Gravity and Inertia, and Gravity and Acceleration (and the paradoxes that exist). 3. Relativity does not claim to prove Earth’s motions, in fact it ‘dictates’ the ridiculous idea that motion cannot be proven period. 4. Relativity proposes motion, it does not nor can it claim to disprove that the Earth is the center of the universe! 5. Only those who are ignorant of physics attempt to make arguments based on weather patterns, ballistic trajectories, geosynchronous satellites, and Foucault’s pendulums for evidence of Earth’s motions! For all those ‘geniuses’ out there, not even Einstein would claim such stupidity." -Allen Daves



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by r2d246
Well you got to think ouside the box a bit. Like really think about it. Like look at a map of your city, or state, or country or world, it's all flat. Then go outside, all is flat. So in a strange way from our vantage point in everyday life, it is flat indeed.


Look up much? You can SEE our atmosphere is round from the GROUND ... you don't have to see the earth from space ...

Guess what they see on the other side of the world? The same thing .. our atmosphere is round from our perspective here on earth ...


Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
So how do they explain going from tokyo ( on the other sids of the. Flat earth) to california in like 14 hours? Or do they think commercial air liners travel in eccess of 2000 MPH?

I also have been at 40,000 feet in a commercial air liner and the earth. Is indeed round.


Maybe they just go off the edge, then come back in the other side.. like Pacman


I answered this already.
If all of the land masses you know of are arranged in a circle, it would still appear like you are flying around the Earth.
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It's cute how you think you have 'answers' ...

So if i were to watch a plane flying above, if i watched long enough, i'd just see it go in a complete circle? What about when i'm at the beach, and i see a plane go over the horizon? What if i were on that plane, looking out the window?

This isn't the Bronze age ... We have planes ... We have all sorts of toys ...We don't have to take ANYONE's word for it ...

Do you have a telescope? The moon is round ... Jupiter, Venus, and Mars are all round ... I've seen them myself, without taking anyone's 'word' for it ...

How about a balloon and a camcorder?


How about a Bubble wand? Have you ever seen a flat bubble?

There are numerous ways to 'prove' this on your own without taking science's word for it ...



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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Some claim the way the earth is shaped is hidden in plain site as the UN logo.
Magnetic north being the pole the sun revolves around and south would be any way from the center pole north to the rim like spokes.



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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That was just...just...nuts. Literally, the guy is not right somewhere. I'm not being mean but he has an explanation for everything that is backed up by.....nothing. So all of the evidence and eyewitnesses all over the world are lying, but this guy is right...with no scientific evidence at all?

An anti-moon? Seriously? And there's a whole group of these people that believe this stuff?

My husband has been to Antarctica, he worked there for 3 months and as part of some "moral" boosting activities the company employed, he got to explore all kinds of areas from the very edges of the continent (which, by the way, he didn't fall off of LOL) to the South Pole.

So unless there's another massive body of land covered in ice at the south pole region somewhere else on Earth...

I've got a large photo album filled with pictures...I know he wasn't lying to me and is somehow "in on it." LOL

I don't quite get the point behind the whole idea but to each their own.





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