cool. I can't wait for the TSR 2 to be brought back from the dead.
Bring it on.
It’s hard to imagine a 53-year-old plane could outperform Lockheed Martin’s costly new F-35 fighter-bomber, but those behind a new CF-105 say their jet would pack a 21st-century punch.
Mr. MacKenzie said the proposal he’s put before the Harper government is for a made-in-Canada plane that could fly twice as fast as the F-35 and up to 20,000 feet higher. It would feature an updated Mark III engine and its range would be two to three times that of the F-35.
The former soldier, an unpaid supporter of the project, has run the pitch by Defence Minister Peter MacKay, senior defence officials as well as the Prime Minister’s Office and Julian Fantino when he was associate defence minister in charge of procurement.
In the post-Second World War period, the Soviet Union began developing a capable fleet of long-range bombers with the ability to deliver nuclear weapons across North America and Europe. The main threat was principally from high-speed, high-altitude bombing runs launched from the Soviet Union traveling over the Arctic against military bases, built-up and industrial centres in Canada and the United States. To counter this threat, Western countries strenuously engaged in the development of interceptors that could engage and destroy these bombers before they reached their targets
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Correct me if I'm wrong here but weren't most Western jets of the "Delta wing - Century" series very fast with high altitude capabilities meant to engage Russian bombers as far out over the North pole as fast as possible hence their higher altitude capabilities and higher speeds?
Also, was it ever in production and have Vertical take off and landing capability?
At MacKenzie's insistence, National Defence looked at the plan.
But it was firmly rejected when Julian Fantino, at the time the minister in charge of the fighter jet replacement program, wrote back to say the proposal "does not satisfactorily address these mandatory requirements."
One of those requirements, mentioned three times in the June 29 letter to MacKenzie, is stealth capabilities -- a quality the F-35 is purported to have, but that many experts have questioned.
During an NDP-led roundtable on the F-35 procurement process last month, Winslow Wheeler, a U.S. national security expert and former defence analyst in Washington, said the stealth capabilities of the F-35 are limited.
"The hoopla is stealth," he said. "But what stealth really means is that against some radars, at some angles, you are detectable at shorter ranges. And what that means, is that against some radars, at some angels, you are detectable at any range as soon as you come over the radar horizon."
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Originally posted by allenidaho
With newer, stronger engines and updated avionics, I think there are several retired aircraft out there that could easily outperform the F-35. Let's look at the Lightning's stats:
F-35 Lightning II
- Max Takeoff Weight: 70,000 lbs
- Max Speed: 1,200 mph (Mach 1.67)
- Service Ceiling: 60,000 ft (Theoretically. It's only been tested to 43,000 ft)
- Rate of Climb: Unknown
- (1) 20mm cannon w/ 180 rounds
- (6) external hardpoints
- (2) internal bays w/ 2 pylons each
Now let's look at some of the decommissioned competitors:
F-4 Phantom II
- Max Takeoff Weight: 61,795 lbs
- Max Speed: 1,472 mph (Mach 2.23)
- Service Ceiling: 60,000 ft
- Rate of Climb: 41,300 ft/min
- (9) external hardpoints
A slightly lower maximum weight, but capable of faster speeds and with a fully tested service ceiling. And no stealth capability.
- Max Takeoff Weight: 74,350 lbs
- Max Speed: 1,544 mph (Mach 2.34)
- Service Ceiling: 50,000 ft
- Rate of Climb: 45,000 ft/min
- (1) 20mm cannon w/ 675 rounds
- (10) external hardpoints
A higher takeoff weight, higher max speed. But lower service ceiling and no stealth capability.
- Max Takeoff Weight: 100,000 lbs
- Max Speed: 1,650 mph (Mach 2.5)
- Service Ceiling: 66,000 ft
- Climb Rate: 25,890 ft/min
- (1) internal bay w/ 2 pylons
- (8) external hardpoints
The F-111 outperforms the F-35 in every way except for stealth capability and maneuverability.
Originally posted by masqua
reply to post by luciddream
I agree with you.
You forgot to mention the stream of aero-engineering experts who, directly as a result of Dief's decision, headed to Florida and NASA to enjoy the surge of interest in the space program. Whether that was intended or not is something to consider.
It would be interesting to look at which Canadian was responsible for what breakthroughs.