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Originally posted by Wonderer2012
As a forum, I think the biggest weakness the majority have is not letting go of their preconceived opinions on the Iran issue. I'm not trying to offend people, it is just an observation I have seen repeated over and over again where threads rage on with people debating whether Iran is after a nuclear weapon, whether it is Israel or Iran who are the good guys etc.
They wish to usher in the coming of the 12th imam, at any cost. And then incinerate the entire world.
I most certainly don't hate them. I don't understand them fully, but I am frightened of their intentions and possible capability. I'm trying to find a way to reduce this fear, but Iran isn't giving much reassurance.
Sure, if insanity is all there is, then let's just keep killing anyone we don't agree with or don't like for whatever reason seems reasonable to the killers!
I did have one of those moments, it was about five years ago. It made a big impression. But another thing that made a big impression were the two people I saw who were truly and completely insane. The doctor told me that there was nothing anyone could do for them beyond giving food and water, and making sure they didn't kill themselves or others.
But insanity isn't all there is - is it? Surely, in your many years on this Earth-walk, you've had the odd moment of clarity/sanity.
I almost entirely agree, but I believe there are times when a man or a nation has to say "Holy *^(, this guy wants to kill me!" Then, you make your choice.
OK, understood. Personally, I think agressively attacking any human or group of humans is totally nuts (especially when I do it myself) and just more insanity.
But then I'm one of those crazy people that believes in humanity as an entity consisting of around 7 billion cells called humans, you know, we're all in this together kind of thing.
"The best defense is a strong offense" and prophylactic wars are IMO the rantings and actions of a feeble and rather scared egoic mind, and typical of the mindset of those in positions of global authority and their non-feeling followers.
Further we have intercepting capabilities in europe. Lets not forget what we installed in poland with great anger from the russians. We have nothing to fear from iran. Maybe israel does as long as it keeps torturing the palestinians.
If we can shoot down russian and chineese ICBMs in the hundreds at a time, then what chance in hell do #ty countries like iran have of attacking america?
I almost entirely agree, but I believe there are times when a man or a nation has to say "Holy *^(, this guy wants to kill me!" Then, you make your choice.
I quite agree that that's the best way, but the solid information is locked up in classifed security vaults. We don't have much else to work with. I saw an article this evening which just worries me more. www.news.com.au... It includes the following:
Although I do agree with what you stated, I also believe that a person should make their own choice based on research instead of MSM.
Proof? No. Something to be ignored? No.
THE UN atomic agency has received new and significant intelligence over the past month that Iran has moved further toward the ability to build a nuclear weapon, diplomats tell The Associated Press.
They say the intelligence shows that Iran has advanced its work on calculating the destructive power of an atomic warhead through a series of computer models that it ran sometime within the past three years.
The IAEA first outlined suspicions in November that Iran was working on calculating the yield of a nuclear weapon, as part of a 13-page summary of Iran's suspected nuclear weapons work that it said was based on more than 1,000 pages of research and intelligence from more than 10 member nations.
It said then that "the modeling studies alleged to have been conducted in 2008 and 2009 by Iran ... (are) of particular concern," adding that the purpose of such studies for calculating anything other than nuclear explosion yields is "unclear to the agency."
Mr Albright, of the Institute for Science and International Security, said such computer-run modeling is "critical to the development of a nuclear weapon."
The chant "Death to America" has been in use in Iran since at least the Iranian revolution in 1979, along with other phrases often represented as anti-American. A 1953 coup which involved the CIA was cited as a grievance. State-sponsored murals characterised as anti-American dot the streets of Tehran. It has been suggested that under Ayatollah Khomeini anti-Americanism was little more than a way to distinguish between domestic supporters and detractors, and even the phrase "Great Satan" which has previously been associated with anti-Americanism, appears to now signify either the United States or the United Kingdom.
That's one of the reasons why I was upset that our President will not see Netanyahou (sp?) when he comes to the states. He made that announcement the same day he announced he would be appearing on Letterman. Netanyahou offered to fly from New York to D.C. to meet Obama. He was turned down.
This is a middle east issue and if any country on Earth stands a chance of coming ahead from all this, they had better relax, take a deep breath, and either open up more lines of communication, or butt the hell out.
My other emotion is sorrow that I have let you down. This is a very difficult topic and I'm afraid attitudes are hardening around the world. Should the US or Israel fight? Will the US or Israel fight? are questions being discussed in every capitol of the world.
I quite agree that that's the best way, but the solid information is locked up in classifed security vaults. We don't have much else to work with. I saw an article this evening which just worries me more. www.news.com.au... It includes the following:
Proof? No. Something to be ignored? No. Iran wanting us dead? I didn't do much looking, I'm sorry, but Wiki has this:
The chant "Death to America" has been in use in Iran since at least the Iranian revolution in 1979, along with other phrases often represented as anti-American. A 1953 coup which involved the CIA was cited as a grievance. State-sponsored murals characterised as anti-American dot the streets of Tehran. It has been suggested that under Ayatollah Khomeini anti-Americanism was little more than a way to distinguish between domestic supporters and detractors, and even the phrase "Great Satan" which has previously been associated with anti-Americanism, appears to now signify either the United States or the United Kingdom.
There is one other thing bothering me. If Iran is peaceful, then talks, inspections, etc. can go on for a long time. Just as you (and the world) desire. If Iran is not peaceful and is working toward a weapon, the clock is running down. The US can afford to wait. A nuclear attack on Israel might not affect us at all. What's Israel's calculation, though? Do we know what either of us, or anyone else would do when faced with that gamble, when the stakes are your entire country? I'm glad I'm not faced with it.
"More than I should?" This is one of the two or three greatest risks that the world is facing. Anyone who doesn't take it to heart is a fool. (I meant that.)
You never did let me down. I (for some reason) take this issue to heart maybe a little more than I should. This is my cross to bear and sorry for pressing you too much. It is a very difficult topic and without any of us being in the intelligence committees around the globe, we can only go by the media.