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Originally posted by RogerT3
Originally posted by charles1952
Are you really suggesting putting a self proclaimed homicidal psychopath, who sees nothing wrong with murdering millions of innocent men, women and children in order to exact revenge over a 60 year old 444 day incarceration of 52 people, in charge of the most powerful and destructive military force on the planetedit on 11-9-2012 by RogerT3 because: (no reason given)
It seems you do not know history, so please discontinue posting until you do. It was not 60 years ago, and it was not incarceration. Incarceration is what you do to criminals for breaking laws, not for being born in a certain country. They were hostages and please stop referring them to anything else because it demeans what happened to them.
All of you deceivers here would be just as willing to put yourself and your family over mine if it came down to who survives and who perishes. Survival of the fittest just doesn't happen when you say it is acceptable. It happens when the fittest says it does, without permission from anyone.
Originally posted by TrueBlood
I think there are 2 reasons why this happens. First issue is I think alot of western nations (especially Americans) simply do not like Muslim people. It is viewed as a foreign religion to us and our Governments have all but brainwashed us into thinking that Islam is full of crazies. People see the media taking quotes out of context and buy right into it.
The second issue is I don't think people understand the difference between the Jewish religion and the Zionists in control of the Israeli state. If you even mention Israel in a negative light you're automatically labeled anti semitic.
At the end of the day neither side is in the right here and it is not any other nation's job to play world police. Let Israel fight it's own holy wars.
Originally posted by jimmyx
Originally posted by TrueBlood
I think there are 2 reasons why this happens. First issue is I think alot of western nations (especially Americans) simply do not like Muslim people. It is viewed as a foreign religion to us and our Governments have all but brainwashed us into thinking that Islam is full of crazies. People see the media taking quotes out of context and buy right into it.
The second issue is I don't think people understand the difference between the Jewish religion and the Zionists in control of the Israeli state. If you even mention Israel in a negative light you're automatically labeled anti semitic.
At the end of the day neither side is in the right here and it is not any other nation's job to play world police. Let Israel fight it's own holy wars.
has israel vowed to take over lebanon and rid it of it's people?
has israel vowed to take over jordan and kill all of it's people?
has israel vowed to invade egypt and push it's people into the sea?
israel does not want holy wars, it wants to be left alone, no bombs, no invasions, no terrorists, and not threathened with total destruction by the countries around it.
has anyone really considered that there is alot of people worldwide making billions of dollars off of the hatred perpetuated by the middle east conflicts?
THEY LOVE YOUR HATRED OF ONE ANOTHER, it makes them rich
I wrote:
Your post seems reasonable right up to the last sentence, but your posts are often like that. Nice and humble and civil looking on the outside but inferring a kind of arrogant rhetorical stance that is just as judgemental as the posts you criticize.
Are you really suggesting putting a self proclaimed homicidal psychopath, who sees nothing wrong with murdering millions of innocent men, women and children in order to exact revenge over a 60 year old 444 day incarceration of 52 people, in charge of the most powerful and destructive military force on the planet
What I thought I was saying was that if Iran is just totally nuts, then we need to aggressively attack, and thoroughly clean out Iran's rulers, instead of sending in people a thousand at a time to attempt to adjust the population's attitude toward us, while the troops get blown up, several every day.
It may be that insanity is all there is.
If that's the case, then it's time to put Ronnieray123 in charge of our military.
The front runners after Iran are UAE, Turkey, Vietnam, Belarus, Poland and Jordan.
Originally posted by ronnieray123
Let them be an example for all to see as they wallow in self pity at what has happened to them. Let them ask me personally why I am so happy at their misery because I will gladly tell them and read each name off of the list and explain to them that they created me, I was not born this way.
Originally posted by munkey66
reply to post by ronnieray123
So my history or maths must be screwed up
I always thought 1953 Iranian coup d'état (operation Ajax) happened before November 4, 1979, to January 20, 1981.
Britain (Churchill) and the United States (Eisenhower administration) decided to overthrow Iran's government
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by flice
OK...to be fair...lets look at Israel.
Right now Israel finds itself in a position where it has a country...IRAN...that has promised to wipe it off the map.
Israel did not sign the NPT because it had the Tech. to develop Reactors and Weapons on it's own. Although there is a glitch in this as the U.S. provided Israel Weapons Grade Fuel shortly after Israel was attacked by Egypt again.
Regardless of the issues over Settlement Building have been handled poorly by Israel but if it were the U.S. that was being attacked by Rockets every day like Israel was and still is...the U.S. Military would OBLITERATE the Threat. So if anything...Israel has acted less violently than we would.
Since Israel did not sign the NPT it does not have to abide by the Treaties Rules...IRAN did not have the Tech ability to build Reactors so it signed the Treaty and bought the Reactors and Tech. Because Iran did not build this Tech on it's own it must abide by the Treaty.
Israel has been told to STAY OUT OF THE COMING FIGHT! The reason for this is the Secret U.S. Military to Iranian Military Talks on going. The Old Religious Guard will soon come to a moment where it will be threatened by it's own Pro-Democracy Movement. It will do whatever it takes to stay in power such as Order it's navy to Close the Strait of Hormuz or attack Israel with Missiles. They will order this because they will want to portray the U.S. as a Zionist Controlled Military bent on the destruction of Iran. The Military Talks are designed to let the Iranian Military and Navy in particular KNOW that if the Navy is ordered to close the Strait and refuses the Old Religious Guards Order...it will not be attacked by the U.S. and by standing down...will allow the Pro-Democracy Group to Take over the Iranian Government. Thus the Navy will become the protectors of a New Free Iran...as will any other Iranian Military Group that Stands Down. This will NOT WORK IF ISRAEL IS INVOLVED. The Iranians would FIGHT and Israel has been told under NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS IT TO ATTACK IRAN! Split Infinity
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by superman2012
While I don't quite agree with the analogy, let's suppose I do. One of my larger problems with the Iranian leadership is something you and others have pointed out.None of us seem to know the reason why Iran is acting the way they are, but they must know that continued non-cooperation with their treaty's inspectors is increasing the fear and making war more likely.
they are also being very suspect and are just feeding the MSM with doubts.
Grant, for a moment, that Islam is a religion of peace, and that Iran is innocent and wants peace, why aren't they taking the steps that would promise peace? Saying "We are too proud to let you inspect." is completely understandable under normal situations, but this definitely isn't normal. They're risking a lot for their sense of pride and independence.
Now this is an honest question, from the heart, that I really hope someone can answer. Can someone give me another reason for their behavior besides insanity (wild recklessness) or weapons preparation they don't want exposed?
Originally posted by charles1952
It may be that insanity is all there is.
If that's the case, then it's time to put Ronnieray123 in charge of our military.
What I thought I was saying was that if Iran is just totally nuts, then we need to aggressively attack, and thoroughly clean out Iran's rulers, instead of sending in people a thousand at a time to attempt to adjust the population's attitude toward us, while the troops get blown up, several every day.
Originally posted by TrueBlood
First issue is I think alot of western nations (especially Americans) simply do not like Muslim people. It is viewed as a foreign religion to us and our Governments have all but brainwashed us into thinking that Islam is full of crazies. People see the media taking quotes out of context and buy right into it.
reply to post by flice
Israeli Bombing of it's Nuclear Sites by the United States as the U.S. has forbidden Israel to Bomb
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by Wonderer2012
It's often a good idea to drop our preconceived opinions and examine things afresh. Would you help me out a little? I looked through your OP to find some facts that I could create new opinions from, but all I found were your opinions and your assumptions. Would you point out your facts, please? Oh, and are you dropping your preconceived opinions?
Originally posted by skalla
Ignore me.....and I go away
given enough time he'll crawl back under his bridge and wait for some billygoats
and, oh yeah.... there is totally an agenda being worked by usa/uk etc, a long term plan for increased control of the middle east and if you fall for the news you're just a sucka.edit on 10-9-2012 by skalla because: responding to OP
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Wonderer2012
OK...without preconceived notions...lets just look at the facts.
Iran has broken the NPT in just about every way and thus it must either change it's current behavior and abide by the Treaty or face Sanctions and possible Military action.
These are the REALITIES.... Split Infinity