Israel is thinking of using EMP / nuclear weapons against Iran

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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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Experts: Israel could send Iran back to Stone Age

Sunday Times quotes defense experts as saying that Jewish state could cripple Islamic Republic's power grid with electromagnetic pulses

British newspaper Sunday Times has exposed one of the "surprises" the Israel Defense Forces has in store in case of a military strike in Iran.

According to the Sunday morning report, the Jewish state could cripple the Islamic Republic's power grid with electromagnetic pulses as part of a concerted attack to halt Iran's military nuclear program, which could "send Iran back to the Stone Age."

The report, by Uzi Mahnaimi, claims that the possible use of such a weapon has been raised in several quarters as a debate rages among Israel’s politicians about whether a swift strike should be launched against Iran's nuclear facilities.

Bill Gertz, a veteran American defense specialist, is quoted as saying that US intelligence agencies have reported “growing concerns that Israel will conduct a strike on Iran using a high-altitude nuclear burst aimed at disrupting all electronics in the country."

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Source: www.ynetnews.com...


Somebody has to stop these Zionist nutjobs Netanjahu and Barak.


More Sources:

www.israelnationalnews.com...


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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 01:30 AM
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I was just reading that earlier, and was thinking of making a thread and bam here it is lol..

Um WTF are you talking about? Iran is the enemy and Israel has to do a preemptive strike before its to late.
did you forget good ole ahmadinajad once to wipe em off the map, did you forget the radical islams and his regime want to destroy the world and convert everyone to islam


Ok let me put it this way: I think Israel is choosing the humane approach. Instead of senseless killing they can solve there problems with a simple emp. Sounds like a win to me.


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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 01:30 AM
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Wouldn't it be ironic if the west used nuclear weapons to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons?

This whole ordeal is so twisted and sick I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around it.


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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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These people are mentally sick on a whole new level.... they literally are daydreaming about which method is best to wipe out a country & destabilize the globe, most likely sparking a 3rd WW -- as if this is a game of Risk. Fear-mongering, false-flag globalist scum need to be dethroned & tossed into prison to live with the rats imo.


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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by HumanitiesLastHope
Um WTF are you talking about? Iran is the enemy and Israel has to do a preemptive strike before its to late.


Why? Based on what?


Originally posted by HumanitiesLastHopedid you forget good ole ahmadinajad once to wipe em off the map, ...


This was proven to be a BIG FAT lie.


Originally posted by HumanitiesLastHopedid you forget the radical islams and his regime want to destroy the world and convert everyone to islam


What did you say is the reason why are we supporting Al Qaeda in Lybia and Syria?



Originally posted by HumanitiesLastHopeOk let me put it this way: I think Israel is choosing the humane approach. Instead of senseless killing they can solve there problems with a simple emp. Sounds like a win to me.


Based on what? You seriously think that a nuclear weapon detonated over Iran and taking the country back to the stone age is humane?

There is no such thing as humane warfare!


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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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How reliable is this news?

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but would it not be dangerous for EVERYONE in the region if an EMP strike happened there, especially because of nuclear facilities??? Don't nuclear facilities NEED electricity to keep running and keep radiation contained?

Please excuse my naivité, I admit I am very ignorant of the full situation, I don't know what it is Iran has exactly, and welcome correction and education on the matter. But this just sounds like
a very bad idea......
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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 02:10 AM
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These people are mentally sick on a whole new level.... they literally are daydreaming about which method is best to wipe out a country & destabilize the globe, most likely sparking a 3rd WW -- as if this is a game of Risk. Fear-mongering, false-flag globalist scum need to be dethroned & tossed into prison to live with the rats imo.

I don't think it's nice to talk about the Iranians that way, Ahmadinejad, OK. A lot of the clerics, OK. But not all of Iran.

I kind of like the sound of EMP, especially if the radiation can be controlled. (Which I believe it can.) No fragments going through the innocent, not millions of deaths. It seems a lot more humane.

(I'm not 100% serious, but I like it a whole lot better than a nuclear war.)


Besides, what do you want the world to do?
english.farsnews.com...


Addressing a gathering in Arizona, Joe Lieberman also admitted that the unilateral US sanctions against Iran's nuclear program have not retrieved any results so far.

"We have applied very tough economic sanctions on Iran and they have clearly affected the economy of Iran - but they have not affected the nuclear program one iota," marveled Lieberman.

Iran is under four rounds of UN Security Council sanctions for turning down West's calls to give up its right of uranium enrichment, saying the demand is politically tainted and illogical.



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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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They are only thinking of using an EMP so they can invade Iran easier without having to worry about most of their weapons...
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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 02:26 AM
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I figured this would be the way they would go.

Honestly it's the exact same game plan Iran has speculated on to use on the America launched via commercial ship to bring us to our knees so Israel doing it first really isn't such a surprise.

I can't even take sides, the whole debate is moronic, which came first the chicken or the egg, it really doesn't matter, Israel is there, however it happened it happened nothing changes the reality that millions of really, really bright people have their backs against the sea with nowhere to go and their neighbors mostly wont accept their right to exist so sooner or later after decades of dealing with it they are going to throw a real punch



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
I kind of like the sound of EMP, especially if the radiation can be controlled. (Which I believe it can.) No fragments going through the innocent, not millions of deaths. It seems a lot more humane.

(I'm not 100% serious, but I like it a whole lot better than a nuclear war.)


Again the question... On what basis do you justify an attack?

There is zero proof for the Zionist accusations!
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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by ALF88

Originally posted by charles1952
I kind of like the sound of EMP, especially if the radiation can be controlled. (Which I believe it can.) No fragments going through the innocent, not millions of deaths. It seems a lot more humane.

(I'm not 100% serious, but I like it a whole lot better than a nuclear war.)


Again the question... On what basis do you justify an attack?

There is zero proof for the Zionist accusations!
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I'll field that

there is one piece of bread left in a room with 2 Hypoglycemics

or

two men one girl on a desert island

or

Only one life jacket left on the titanic

Some conflicts can only end one way



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 02:32 AM
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Dear ALF88,

Again the question... On what basis do you justify an attack?
I don't remember being asked that question before. Let me give you an answer you're probably tired of hearing. Self-defense. You're not required to take the first strike before you're allowed to strike back. Israel has "a reasonable belief of imminent, serious, bodily harm."

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
Dear ALF88,
I don't remember being asked that question before.


No, but I asked it before in this thread, and it is not too much asked for to read the rest of the posts before yours. We are still on page 1.


Originally posted by charles1952Let me give you an answer you're probably tired of hearing.


Yes, because it is nonsense!


Originally posted by charles1952Self-defense. You're not required to take the first strike before you're allowed to strike back. Israel has "a reasonable belief of imminent, serious, bodily harm."


There is no need for self defense regarding Iran. All the accusations and decisions made by the Zionist regime are based on lies and messianic feelings.

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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 02:48 AM
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Originally posted by ALF88

Originally posted by charles1952
Dear ALF88,
I don't remember being asked that question before.


No, but I asked it before in this thread and it is not too much asked for to read the rest of the posts before yours.


Originally posted by charles1952Let me give you an answer you're probably tired of hearing.


Yes, because it is nonsense!


Originally posted by charles1952Self-defense. You're not required to take the first strike before you're allowed to strike back. Israel has "a reasonable belief of imminent, serious, bodily harm."


There is no need for self defense regarding Iran. All the accusations and decisions made by the Zionist regime are based on lies and messianic feelings.



You'd be wrong on that last count

If I am out somewhere and a conflict arises and reaches trash talking and threats are made I do the daily life equivalent every time and throw the shot if I feel threatened, i'd take a bit o time in jail any day rather than be physically harmed, jail, or in this case sanctions, condemnation, loss of some rights...whatever. These things are meaningless vs being alive.

You can't say what Iran will or is doing any more than anyone else.

What can be said is threats are made. Be they from "the street" subject to interpretation

We may never know if Iran will or will not use that Gun, I know however if i think a guy is reaching for a weapon it's better to hit first and ask questions later.

That's the real situation here, Israel doesn't know what they will do, i don't know no one knows.

What we all know is no one is talking peace and If Israel makes a move while it has the upper hand it's perfectly understandable



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by HumanitiesLastHope
reply to post by ALF88
 


I was just reading that earlier, and was thinking of making a thread and bam here it is lol..

Um WTF are you talking about? Iran is the enemy and Israel has to do a preemptive strike before its to late.
did you forget good ole ahmadinajad once to wipe em off the map, did you forget the radical islams and his regime want to destroy the world and convert everyone to islam


Ok let me put it this way: I think Israel is choosing the humane approach. Instead of senseless killing they can solve there problems with a simple emp. Sounds like a win to me.


Geez, try not to sound too biased.


Isn't this website's motto 'deny ignorance'? Why is this kind of obviously ignorant and anti-semitic rhetoric allowed here? You realize there are Jews LIVING IN IRAN, right? Mods? Anyone? Can you do something about this warmongering trend? Like oh saaaay DELETE / BAN USERS WHO CONTINUE TO IGNORANTLY SLANDER IRAN WITHOUT EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING?

If you've seen the hilariously lame pro-Israel donation ads here on ATS itself, you know that is not going to happen, though. Even ATS itself has become a propaganda tool for Israel. Pretty sad and telling of how far the corruption has spread.

Time to amputate folks. We need to decapitate the head of the beast before America becomes the next WWII Germany.



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by yourignoranceisbliss

Originally posted by HumanitiesLastHope
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I was just reading that earlier, and was thinking of making a thread and bam here it is lol..

Um WTF are you talking about? Iran is the enemy and Israel has to do a preemptive strike before its to late.
did you forget good ole ahmadinajad once to wipe em off the map, did you forget the radical islams and his regime want to destroy the world and convert everyone to islam


Ok let me put it this way: I think Israel is choosing the humane approach. Instead of senseless killing they can solve there problems with a simple emp. Sounds like a win to me.


Geez, try not to sound too biased.


Isn't this website's motto 'deny ignorance'? Why is this kind of obviously ignorant and anti-semitic rhetoric allowed here? You realize there are Jews LIVING IN IRAN, right? Mods? Anyone? Can you do something about this warmongering trend? Like oh saaaay DELETE / BAN USERS WHO CONTINUE TO IGNORANTLY SLANDER IRAN WITHOUT EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING?

If you've seen the hilariously lame pro-Israel donation ads here on ATS itself, you know that is not going to happen, though. Even ATS itself has become a propaganda tool for Israel. Pretty sad and telling of how far the corruption has spread.

Time to amputate folks. We need to decapitate the head of the beast before America becomes the next WWII Germany.


You have heard the expression "war happens when both sides are right"

That makes all war threads strictly opinion, yours, mine and everybody else

people are of course entitled to their opinions

well, not always in Iran....



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 03:10 AM
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I was expecting a little more detailed discussion than "nonsense" and "lies and messianic feelings," but I think you may be looking at this too narrowly, The US, the entire Security Council, Germany, the IAEA, and many others believe that Iran is very worrisome. Israel believes that if Iran has nuclear weapons, and if Iran uses them, then Israel will be completely destroyed.

These are not lies fabricated by Israel. They are the results of investigations and the Iranian government's words and actions.

I think it would help you to realize that even though you think it's nonsense, most of the rest of the world doesn't. And they're not going to be affected by my opinion or yours. There's a reality out there that is frightening, we shouldn't ignore it.



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by penninja
You'd be wrong on that last count


Nope, I am 100% correct. It was Yuval Diskin, former head of Shin Beth who said that.


Originally posted by penninjaIf I am out somewhere and a conflict arises and reaches trash talking and threats are made I do the daily life equivalent every time and throw the shot if I feel threatened, i'd take a bit o time in jail any day rather than be physically harmed, jail, or in this case sanctions, condemnation, loss of some rights...whatever. These things are meaningless vs being alive.


Threats are made from both sides. In that case Iran has just as much reason to attack Israel. They are not doing that, all they are saying is, that they will retaliate.


Originally posted by penninja... and If Israel makes a move while it has the upper hand it's perfectly understandable


Again, on what basis? There is no nuclear weapons program, and you seem to forget, that this is the reason for the continuous Zionist threats. Is it ok now, if we attack each other based on messianic feelings and assumptions made by nutjob politicians?
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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 03:23 AM
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Again, on what basis? There is no nuclear weapons program. . .
How do you know? What evidence do you have to support that statement?



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by ALF88
Why? Based on what?
IAEA reports coupled with Iran's continual refusal to abide by the treaty. Secondly Iran suspended its nuclear weapons program back in 2003 according to numerous intelligence sources, including the US.

Suspended is the key word here..

FAS - Nuclear Weapons - Iran

Recent Developments:
Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement and relevant provisions of Security Council Resolutions 1737 (2006), 1747 (2007), 1803 (2008) and 1835 (2008) in the Islamic Republic of Iran, Report of the International Atomic Energy Agency, February 19, 2009.
There are ongoing investigations by the IAEA concerning Iran's compliance with the NPT. At the end of August 2003, the IAEA stated in a confidential report leaked to the media that trace elements of Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) were found in an Iranian nuclear facility. In June of 2003, an IAEA Director General report stated that Iran had not met the obligations required of it by the NPT. A November 2003 report identified further violations. In February 2004 it was discovered that Iran had blueprints for an advanced centrifuge design usable for uranium enrichment that it had withheld from nuclear inspectors. In December 2003, Iran signed an additional protocol authorizing IAEA inspectors to make intrusive, snap inspections of Iran's nuclear facilities. The protocol was signed as an addition to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Remaining uncertainties surrounding Iran's uranium enrichment activities were addressed in the IAEA's November 2004 report. IAEA Deputy Director for Safeguards, Pierre Goldschmidt, reported in June 2005 that Iran had admitted to separating out small amounts of plutonium as recently as 1998.

Despite suspending its enrichment and conversion programs in 2003, Iran resumed uranium conversion in 2005 and enrichment in 2006. In 2009, it was revealed that Iran had secretly constructed a second enrichment facility within a Revolutionary Guards military base twenty miles from the city of Qum. The enrichment facility near Qum is smaller than the Natanz enrichment facility. The smaller size of the Qum enrichment facility combined with its location within a military base suggests to some that this second enrichment plant is not for enriching uranium required for generating civil nuclear power. Iran maintains that the facility is necessary for enriching uranium for its research reactor and it was built due to worries that the Natanz facility is vulnerable to attack. One study notes that the Qum enrichment facility is potentially too small to be an effective enrichment plant for weapons grade material. In the study’s conclusion, the authors note that the Qum enrichment facility is “neither ideal for commercial nor military purposes.”





Originally posted by ALF88
This was proven to be a BIG FAT lie.

Actually no its not -
Feb 2012 - Iran: We will help 'cut out the cancer of Israel' - Ayatollah

Iran will help anyone willing to "cut out the cancer" of Israel, its Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said today.

Aug 2012 - In Iran meet, UN chief denounces threats to destroy Israel, Holocaust denial
UN chief denounces Iran to its face over calls to destroy Israel - Ahmadenijad
May 2012 - No need for war to ‘destroy’ Israel: Ahmadinejad - sourced to PressTV
Aug 2012 - Big anti-Israel rallies in Iran for Quds Day

TEHRAN: Big anti-Israel rallies took place in cities across Iran on Friday for the country s annual Quds Day, which supports the Palestinian cause and an end to the Jewish state.



Originally posted by ALF88
What did you say is the reason why are we supporting Al Qaeda in Lybia and Syria?
Because Al Queida are cowards who hide behind civilian clothes making it difficult to know who is what.


Originally posted by ALF88
Based on what? You seriously think that a nuclear weapon detonated over Iran and taking the country back to the stone age is humane?
Its more humane than removing a nation off the face of the Earth. Also if you researched Irans position towards Israel you would see the word game Iran plays when it comes to the destruction of Israel.

They "differentiate" Jewish citizens and the "Zionist regime", stating they have no issues with the jewish people. The problem with that lie is Iran doesnt not recognize Israel as a country. Syria also refused to recognize Israel.
Since their is no "government" to destroy and there is no nation to destroy then who exactly are they going to remove?

They want Israel gone and they have no issues exterminating an entire population to achieve that goal.



Originally posted by ALF88
There is no such thing as humane warfare!
This is even more true when its applied to the Iranian government, the Syrian government, Hamas, Hezzbullah etc etc etc. Maybe the people wanting to destroy Israel should stop launching missile attacks at civilians and maybe attack the Israeli government. I mean after all they claim their issue is with the government of Israel and not her people.
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