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Topic started on 9-9-2012 @ 09:13 PM by pluginkid
Hello ATS,
So I finally decided to start my first thread.
After a few years of just reading different threads and trying to educate myself,
I thought it was time to contribute more here on ATS.
I'm a late bloomer what can I say...
Originally I was going to dedicate this entire thread to Bill Hicks but
after I started thinking about it, I realized this went much deeper.
I know there are threads here on ATS that discuss these topics
but not necessarily all tied together.
(If there is then I apologize so be easy on me!)
As some of you may or may not know, the comedian Bill Hicks died
of pancreatic cancer at the early age of 32.
This is EXTREMELY rare as the average age that folks usually get this type of cancer is 72.
(as ATS member "zerozero00" points out here,
www.abovetopsecret.com... )
Hicks was not your average comedian in the sense that he talked about issues that
most comedians wouldn't touch. (especially back then)
He often joked about this and credited it to him being virtually unknown in the US.
Bill was very much into conspiracy theories,crooked governments,
the JFK assassination and he even drove out to Waco during
the stand off between the ATF and David Koresh.
He would talk about all of this during his stand up.
Bill was also into UFO's
(which he actually had a UFO experience with his best friend, Kevin Booth),
His mission was to bring awareness to people and for them to think for themselves.
What's amazing is his message is still being carried out to this day.
Most of what he talked about then is still relevant today.
All though I don't have concrete evidence to prove this,
I think there may have been more to his death then what meets the eye.
He may have been taken out for obvious reasons.
After I started digging more, I thought about Bob Marley, JFK, Lincoln,
John Lennon,Martin Luther King and many,many more
people who all shared the same fate.
All of these public figures who challenged the government and/or
tried to bring awareness to the people either were assassinated
or died under mysterious circumstances.
Is this just a coincidence? Can we just shine it off as, "that's life, we all die"?
Or is there more to this? Did the government possibly have something to do
with these deaths?
I find Bob Marley's death really bizarre as well.
Here is a man that died at the age of 36 supposedly stemming
from "toe cancer".
It just so happens that Marley died right after touring in America. (eight months later)
ask.yahoo.com...
I may be wrong but wasn't the US government keeping tabs on Marley?
We now know that the US government was keeping tabs on Lennon.
We also know that they feared Lennon because of the impact
and influence he had on the people.
The FBI was tapping his phones and keeping a close watch on Lennon
Or how about Kennedy? We all know the different theories that surround his death.
However I find it interesting that just six months prior to his death, he signed executive order, 11110.
en.wikipedia.org...
This order would of possibly eliminated the Federal Reserve.
This would of been HUGE. Not to mention a huge blow
to the privatized banking cartels that control the FR.
Judging from history, it seems these baking cartels will go to
any length to stay in control of the money system.
It's a similar situation with Lincoln and the issue of Greenbacks.
Both Kennedy and Lincoln had concerns over centralized banks
controlling America's money system.
www.xat.org...
You can even tie this in to the way the media and Republicans treated Ron Paul.
Paul also shared the same views as Kennedy regarding the Federal Reserve.
Considering what happened to Kennedy and Lincoln,
it makes perfect sense(to me) why the RNC wouldn't even say Ron Paul's name.
It makes sense that the media did everything in their power
to barely mentioned Ron Paul at all.
What were they afraid of?
Possibly Paul bringing awareness to more Americans and shedding
light on scams like the Federal Reserve?
Do you think if Ron Paul would of actually become president,
he would of even made it past a year?
I suppose it was easier for the government to commit fraud then to knock Ron Paul off.
So I guess what I'm getting at is if you were just talking about one case then
none of this would seem like that big of a deal.
People die everyday under weird and bizarre circumstances
However when you look at these cases together,
it just seems unlikely that they're all a coincidence.
I don't care if you're a believer or a debunker,
you can not overlook this or just shine it off as a coinkydink
Now with the Patriot Act and the fact that people are being
arrested for posting things on facebook, it seems like it's getting worse.
Not just with public figures but now anyone who speaks out against the government.
I'm curious what your thoughts are.
For the debunkers, do you think that there's nothing more to these deaths?
The fact that all these people who went against the grain have all died under weird circumstances .
Yet Bush, Cheney,Rumsfeld, Carrot Top, Toby Keith, Oliver North,
Rush Linbaugh,etc are all alive and well.
(I'm joking but I'm not; )
Honestly, do you have to be a conspiracy theorist to see that this just doesn't add up?
Again, if this has already been talked about then I apologize
On a funny note, I'll leave you with this,
So I finally decided to start my first thread.
After a few years of just reading different threads and trying to educate myself,
I thought it was time to contribute more here on ATS.
I'm a late bloomer what can I say...
Originally I was going to dedicate this entire thread to Bill Hicks but
after I started thinking about it, I realized this went much deeper.
I know there are threads here on ATS that discuss these topics
but not necessarily all tied together.
(If there is then I apologize so be easy on me!)
As some of you may or may not know, the comedian Bill Hicks died
of pancreatic cancer at the early age of 32.
This is EXTREMELY rare as the average age that folks usually get this type of cancer is 72.
(as ATS member "zerozero00" points out here,
www.abovetopsecret.com... )
Hicks was not your average comedian in the sense that he talked about issues that
most comedians wouldn't touch. (especially back then)
He often joked about this and credited it to him being virtually unknown in the US.
Bill was very much into conspiracy theories,crooked governments,
the JFK assassination and he even drove out to Waco during
the stand off between the ATF and David Koresh.
He would talk about all of this during his stand up.
Bill was also into UFO's
(which he actually had a UFO experience with his best friend, Kevin Booth),
His mission was to bring awareness to people and for them to think for themselves.
What's amazing is his message is still being carried out to this day.
Most of what he talked about then is still relevant today.
All though I don't have concrete evidence to prove this,
I think there may have been more to his death then what meets the eye.
He may have been taken out for obvious reasons.
After I started digging more, I thought about Bob Marley, JFK, Lincoln,
John Lennon,Martin Luther King and many,many more
people who all shared the same fate.
All of these public figures who challenged the government and/or
tried to bring awareness to the people either were assassinated
or died under mysterious circumstances.
Is this just a coincidence? Can we just shine it off as, "that's life, we all die"?
Or is there more to this? Did the government possibly have something to do
with these deaths?
I find Bob Marley's death really bizarre as well.
Here is a man that died at the age of 36 supposedly stemming
from "toe cancer".
It just so happens that Marley died right after touring in America. (eight months later)
ask.yahoo.com...
I may be wrong but wasn't the US government keeping tabs on Marley?
We now know that the US government was keeping tabs on Lennon.
We also know that they feared Lennon because of the impact
and influence he had on the people.
The FBI was tapping his phones and keeping a close watch on Lennon
Or how about Kennedy? We all know the different theories that surround his death.
However I find it interesting that just six months prior to his death, he signed executive order, 11110.
en.wikipedia.org...
This order would of possibly eliminated the Federal Reserve.
This would of been HUGE. Not to mention a huge blow
to the privatized banking cartels that control the FR.
Judging from history, it seems these baking cartels will go to
any length to stay in control of the money system.
It's a similar situation with Lincoln and the issue of Greenbacks.
Both Kennedy and Lincoln had concerns over centralized banks
controlling America's money system.
www.xat.org...
You can even tie this in to the way the media and Republicans treated Ron Paul.
Paul also shared the same views as Kennedy regarding the Federal Reserve.
Considering what happened to Kennedy and Lincoln,
it makes perfect sense(to me) why the RNC wouldn't even say Ron Paul's name.
It makes sense that the media did everything in their power
to barely mentioned Ron Paul at all.
What were they afraid of?
Possibly Paul bringing awareness to more Americans and shedding
light on scams like the Federal Reserve?
Do you think if Ron Paul would of actually become president,
he would of even made it past a year?
I suppose it was easier for the government to commit fraud then to knock Ron Paul off.
So I guess what I'm getting at is if you were just talking about one case then
none of this would seem like that big of a deal.
People die everyday under weird and bizarre circumstances
However when you look at these cases together,
it just seems unlikely that they're all a coincidence.
I don't care if you're a believer or a debunker,
you can not overlook this or just shine it off as a coinkydink
Now with the Patriot Act and the fact that people are being
arrested for posting things on facebook, it seems like it's getting worse.
Not just with public figures but now anyone who speaks out against the government.
I'm curious what your thoughts are.
For the debunkers, do you think that there's nothing more to these deaths?
The fact that all these people who went against the grain have all died under weird circumstances .
Yet Bush, Cheney,Rumsfeld, Carrot Top, Toby Keith, Oliver North,
Rush Linbaugh,etc are all alive and well.
(I'm joking but I'm not; )
Honestly, do you have to be a conspiracy theorist to see that this just doesn't add up?
Again, if this has already been talked about then I apologize
On a funny note, I'll leave you with this,
reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 10:28 PM by pluginkid
reply to post by geobro
Absolutely! Best comedian ever.(imo). Hasn't been a comic like him since.
For me, Hicks was like a pastor, philosopher, my dad and teacher all rolled up into one.
I've learned more from that guy then just about anybody.
Shame he had to leave us so soon.
Can you imagine what he would be screaming at today?
He would have a field day,hahahaha
Long Live Hicks!!!!
Absolutely! Best comedian ever.(imo). Hasn't been a comic like him since.
For me, Hicks was like a pastor, philosopher, my dad and teacher all rolled up into one.
I've learned more from that guy then just about anybody.
Shame he had to leave us so soon.
Can you imagine what he would be screaming at today?
He would have a field day,hahahaha
Long Live Hicks!!!!
reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 11:53 PM by geobro
reply to post by pluginkid
i found hicks late on 2007 maybe guy was a genius only the good die young
i found hicks late on 2007 maybe guy was a genius only the good die young
reply posted on 10-9-2012 @ 01:10 AM by Jakal26
reply to post by Screwed
I'm curious.....
In what way(s) was Evil "waking" anyone up?
I can agree with many of the others, as well as those listed in the OP...for the most part, but when it comes to Elvis I think it was the drug use.
I think Janis Joplin found herself stuck in the bottom of a liquor bottle and drown in the things that have led many to their demise....I am under the assumption that Hendrix met that same fate....Morrison is a bit of a different story as it is said that he was stepping away from "the fast lane" when he supposedly died of such things....but then again, from personal experience (can't say too much here because of the T&C) I know that relapse is when most OD....that is how it works.
These were very public figures, of course there will be talk of "conspiracy" surrounding their death...even if it isn't warranted.......In many cases, I think the real conspiracy is how many of them got sucked down by the monkey on their back.....it happens....been there done that, lived to tell the tale (fortunately and barely)......
Anyways, I was just curious about Elvis. I sincerely don't know of anything that he was doing to "wake" anyone....but I very well may be lacking knowledge in that area.
If you can shed a bit of light on that, it would be great...
I'm curious.....
In what way(s) was Evil "waking" anyone up?
I can agree with many of the others, as well as those listed in the OP...for the most part, but when it comes to Elvis I think it was the drug use.
I think Janis Joplin found herself stuck in the bottom of a liquor bottle and drown in the things that have led many to their demise....I am under the assumption that Hendrix met that same fate....Morrison is a bit of a different story as it is said that he was stepping away from "the fast lane" when he supposedly died of such things....but then again, from personal experience (can't say too much here because of the T&C) I know that relapse is when most OD....that is how it works.
These were very public figures, of course there will be talk of "conspiracy" surrounding their death...even if it isn't warranted.......In many cases, I think the real conspiracy is how many of them got sucked down by the monkey on their back.....it happens....been there done that, lived to tell the tale (fortunately and barely)......
Anyways, I was just curious about Elvis. I sincerely don't know of anything that he was doing to "wake" anyone....but I very well may be lacking knowledge in that area.
If you can shed a bit of light on that, it would be great...
reply posted on 10-9-2012 @ 01:25 AM by Jakal26
reply to post by pluginkid
When it comes to those that were shot, I personally think that elements and factions of the government may have very well had a hand in their deaths....those you listed were very adamant about what they said and had a voice among the masses. I would think that those seeking to keep the establishment running "smoothly" would have vested interest in their demise....
When it comes to Bob Marley, his death from "toe cancer" is strange to me as well....though admittedly, I haven't done much digging into much information regarding that so I really won't comment other than to say that it is "strange".....
I wanted to bring up a point about Bill Hicks though....rather a suggestion (btw, he is my favorite "comedian" <---and much more, as well...I have learned a lot from Bill and might even add to that after I bring this up)
Anyways.....You know, Hicks always talked about this life being "a ride" and that we "get off" this ride anytime we choose. Given that it is a subjective experience and so on.......
I often wonder if Bill decided it was time to "get off" this "ride"....if maybe he subconsciously decided it was time.
I see this life in much the same way as Bill did....the wildest thing for me is the fact that before I ever even knew who Bill Hicks was, before I even had internet access, before I had ever been exposed to any information regarding such a philosophy/idea, I was thinking along those exact same lines.....it is why so much of what he said resonates so deeply within me. I am often cynical, just as Bill was....I suppose I always have been, though at one time I was admittedly an "idealist"...I suppose the world might have beat that out of me somewhere along the line....a bit at a time. I think the same happened to Bill...
If this life is a test.....of course that is a personal opinion...other vary....I suggest it is possible that Bill learned what it was he "came here" for and just "got off the ride".....
I often wonder what else there is for me to learn....maybe it is something about love. I am not sure, though I will admit that many times I find anger and bitterness, towards the world...and sometimes people, in my heart. Maybe that is why I am still living. Of course others find a more "scientific" reason for that but I just don't follow that line of thinking with my own....I will admit that it is completely logical but also suggest that a subjective experience (being this life) is just as logical to conclude.....none really know for sure. We may never, then again....maybe someday.....or maybe, we already know....maybe it is about "rediscovering" what we lost when we "came here" and took this human form, this "shell"....this "vehicle"....
When it comes to those that were shot, I personally think that elements and factions of the government may have very well had a hand in their deaths....those you listed were very adamant about what they said and had a voice among the masses. I would think that those seeking to keep the establishment running "smoothly" would have vested interest in their demise....
When it comes to Bob Marley, his death from "toe cancer" is strange to me as well....though admittedly, I haven't done much digging into much information regarding that so I really won't comment other than to say that it is "strange".....
I wanted to bring up a point about Bill Hicks though....rather a suggestion (btw, he is my favorite "comedian" <---and much more, as well...I have learned a lot from Bill and might even add to that after I bring this up)
Anyways.....You know, Hicks always talked about this life being "a ride" and that we "get off" this ride anytime we choose. Given that it is a subjective experience and so on.......
I often wonder if Bill decided it was time to "get off" this "ride"....if maybe he subconsciously decided it was time.
I see this life in much the same way as Bill did....the wildest thing for me is the fact that before I ever even knew who Bill Hicks was, before I even had internet access, before I had ever been exposed to any information regarding such a philosophy/idea, I was thinking along those exact same lines.....it is why so much of what he said resonates so deeply within me. I am often cynical, just as Bill was....I suppose I always have been, though at one time I was admittedly an "idealist"...I suppose the world might have beat that out of me somewhere along the line....a bit at a time. I think the same happened to Bill...
If this life is a test.....of course that is a personal opinion...other vary....I suggest it is possible that Bill learned what it was he "came here" for and just "got off the ride".....
I often wonder what else there is for me to learn....maybe it is something about love. I am not sure, though I will admit that many times I find anger and bitterness, towards the world...and sometimes people, in my heart. Maybe that is why I am still living. Of course others find a more "scientific" reason for that but I just don't follow that line of thinking with my own....I will admit that it is completely logical but also suggest that a subjective experience (being this life) is just as logical to conclude.....none really know for sure. We may never, then again....maybe someday.....or maybe, we already know....maybe it is about "rediscovering" what we lost when we "came here" and took this human form, this "shell"....this "vehicle"....
reply posted on 11-9-2012 @ 11:15 PM by Screwed
reply to post by Jakal26
Elvis wasn't necessarily doing anything to wake anyone up per se'. He does have some very strong connections to the FBI and law enforcement but how much that played a role in his demise is anyones guess.
However,
What alot of these people share has nothing to do with waking people up but, rather the cult of personality which would give the ABILITY to.
Think of it like this.
If Eddie Money would come out today, and speak of something he knows, he would be pretty much ignored.
Why?
He's just......well.......Eddie Money. Who gives a crap.
If an Elvis Presley comes out and holds a press conference in front of the entire Nation (which he could have easily done and people would have tuned in) and comes out with stories he has of the UFO's he was shown by the President his own damn self then what do you have?????
A National Security risk THAT'S WHAT!!!!!
People who get too famous become a risk to National security because of the ability they have to lead masses of people in a direction that the government doesn;t approve of and deems a threat.
Make sense?
Thaks for your couteous reply and not responding like a dick which is all too common on here.
Anyway, these are just MY thoughts on the matter and FYI, I;m not even totally convinced that the King is dead anyway.
But that's a whole different thread.
Elvis wasn't necessarily doing anything to wake anyone up per se'. He does have some very strong connections to the FBI and law enforcement but how much that played a role in his demise is anyones guess.
However,
What alot of these people share has nothing to do with waking people up but, rather the cult of personality which would give the ABILITY to.
Think of it like this.
If Eddie Money would come out today, and speak of something he knows, he would be pretty much ignored.
Why?
He's just......well.......Eddie Money. Who gives a crap.
If an Elvis Presley comes out and holds a press conference in front of the entire Nation (which he could have easily done and people would have tuned in) and comes out with stories he has of the UFO's he was shown by the President his own damn self then what do you have?????
A National Security risk THAT'S WHAT!!!!!
People who get too famous become a risk to National security because of the ability they have to lead masses of people in a direction that the government doesn;t approve of and deems a threat.
Make sense?
Thaks for your couteous reply and not responding like a dick which is all too common on here.
Anyway, these are just MY thoughts on the matter and FYI, I;m not even totally convinced that the King is dead anyway.
But that's a whole different thread.
edit on 11-9-2012 by Screwed because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 12:15 AM by Jakal26
reply to post by Screwed
I'll give a star for that honest response Screwed...
I'm not so sure about Elvis coming out and showing anything relevant that anyone would listen to.....I mean, the truth is, over time, the man got diluted on drugs....those closest to him contest to it, now, as they did then...
I could think of many more that could be considered a "security risk"....John Lennon most certainly was and we see what happened to him!
Michael Jackson spoke out many times, after his name was smeared in the mud (I am not convinced either way...I used to believe the supposed "lies" about him and the sick things he supposedly do..children and all...I used to despise him but research has led me in another direction about him)
But what did it change? It didn't make an impact with any outside the circle of ones already willing and "knowing"....ya know?
I could think of some that could "come out" and say things this day in time but still, they wouldn't and don't make a difference outside of their circle of followers and those already "awake".....
Now, back to Lennon....oh yeah, he was leading many in a direction the government disapproved of, much like they disapproved and stifled the entire "hippie" movement....it was a direct threat to their control apparatus...
But even Lennon didn't have much impact outside his "circle"...but then again, that circle did extend to future generations....I still post his quotes and find much of what he said relevant, even now...He knew what was up...
Some of the others were just diluted and distracted by the dope....I have been there...Can't say much here but let's just say that even after "awakening" I became submerged in that world....trying to drown in a sea of that junk to shut off what I knew to be true...I can admit that...I have nothing to hide....truth is my policy, even and especially about self...
I don't know, I'm just rambling on with scattered thoughts man....just my thoughts on it as well....
I "get" what you are saying though (wait, have I already said that)
And about replying like a dick......nah, I try not to do that and definitely wouldn't do that regarding this conversation here.....what is the point in all that? I thought this place was about civil discourse, but you are correct...it seems to be more and more about "I am right and you are wrong" and less and less about "well, I can see your point, let me think about that...here is my idea".....but hey, got to sift through the shet and find those willing to civilly converse, aye?
I'll give a star for that honest response Screwed...
I'm not so sure about Elvis coming out and showing anything relevant that anyone would listen to.....I mean, the truth is, over time, the man got diluted on drugs....those closest to him contest to it, now, as they did then...
I could think of many more that could be considered a "security risk"....John Lennon most certainly was and we see what happened to him!
Michael Jackson spoke out many times, after his name was smeared in the mud (I am not convinced either way...I used to believe the supposed "lies" about him and the sick things he supposedly do..children and all...I used to despise him but research has led me in another direction about him)
But what did it change? It didn't make an impact with any outside the circle of ones already willing and "knowing"....ya know?
I could think of some that could "come out" and say things this day in time but still, they wouldn't and don't make a difference outside of their circle of followers and those already "awake".....
Now, back to Lennon....oh yeah, he was leading many in a direction the government disapproved of, much like they disapproved and stifled the entire "hippie" movement....it was a direct threat to their control apparatus...
But even Lennon didn't have much impact outside his "circle"...but then again, that circle did extend to future generations....I still post his quotes and find much of what he said relevant, even now...He knew what was up...
Some of the others were just diluted and distracted by the dope....I have been there...Can't say much here but let's just say that even after "awakening" I became submerged in that world....trying to drown in a sea of that junk to shut off what I knew to be true...I can admit that...I have nothing to hide....truth is my policy, even and especially about self...
I don't know, I'm just rambling on with scattered thoughts man....just my thoughts on it as well....
I "get" what you are saying though (wait, have I already said that)
And about replying like a dick......nah, I try not to do that and definitely wouldn't do that regarding this conversation here.....what is the point in all that? I thought this place was about civil discourse, but you are correct...it seems to be more and more about "I am right and you are wrong" and less and less about "well, I can see your point, let me think about that...here is my idea".....but hey, got to sift through the shet and find those willing to civilly converse, aye?
reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 01:07 PM by beakeradams
reply to post by pluginkid
I never heard of him but from your list of description I would like his work. To bad hes gone.
I never heard of him but from your list of description I would like his work. To bad hes gone.
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