Serious question.

It seems that ever since someone reminded their friend that an ancient race of natives indicated a 'renewal' of some type would take place in (apparently) 2012, all hell has very slowly but surely broken loose. It seems the 2012 doom scenario has become a mental masturbation point for many who were just itching for a reason to build another bunker. Don't get me wrong, bunkers are surely useful for escaping wild weather in certain regions, and good for you if you can afford to build one. I've spoken before about the diversity of personality-types on here and it makes ATS a very interesting place to be. This brings me to the crux of the thread:

To those who seem to feed on the prospect of doom:

Some are known to make money from peoples fear. Some are known to do it to satisfy an almost psychopathic sadistic requirement in themselves. Making malleable people run around like scalded cats for no reason thinking the latest meteorite etc is about to wipe out the face of the world as we know it. Based on nothing.

However to those who seem to transform into an almost evangelistic persona and basically welcome the end of the world, those who actively want it to happen: What is your deal?

I'm looking for answers from those who seem to want to usher in the destruction of modern society, as to why you actually want it to happen? Be it from:

Solar Flares
Meteorites/Asteroids
Giant Tsunami
Giant earthquakes
Mega-volcanoes
Nuclear War
Planet X
Aliens
Radiation Poisoning
Killer Bees
Rogue Armed Forces
Zombies

As mentioned, 2012 is just a ridiculous excuse for fear-mongering and money grabbing. The only real concerns people should legitimately have are the global economy, wilder weather than usual and the possibility of solar activity messing with us. If you start analysing every single possible global scenario, you'll go mad and retire into a paranoid-schizophrenic way of life.

I know some people enjoy a good doomsday scenario possibility, a form of mild entertainment for sure. That's not the person i'm aiming this thread at. To those who are just busting for a global disaster scenario, please detail why you are salivating at the thought of modern society being extinguished like a 20 cent candle? What do you hope to gain out of it if you're dead?

Go nuts.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

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lol
dont like it when the shoe is on the other foot?

concerning the act of labeling

Please explain how stating fact that some doomers make retail (or online rather) profit from their prediction-related merchandise and/or teachings/seminars, and so on is in any way similar to labelling someone a negligent killer, based on a wild and fantastic tongue lashing with absolutely no logical structure? You need to step back from your flaming keyboard for a second and try, although it seems impossible for you, to give me a rational reply based on logic.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

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lots of ASSumptions there, champ, and Prejudgment
not to mention delusions of omniscience

and i have no desire to assist you with your...

project

let's call it that

whether it's for school

or work

why should anybody help you create a profile or list of symptoms for who knows what purposes?

because, that is what you're doing here?
[don't forget to insinuate/hint at raving paranoia later]

do i really need to hint at it? You're doing a great job on your own. Everything you've said is highly defensive and basically projection. Are you able to have a rational conversation without trying to over-use stupid inSINuation shown by capitalising words?

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

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finally, to demolish yet another ASSumption

i'm not hoping for the destruction of society and the state

but seeking it

i don't think that one even needs my elaboration

You've made no case whatsoever, other than to back up what i said in the OP.

I have no interest in your weak arguments and stupid pillow fights. I'm asking to get the viewpoints of those who are constantly prepping for doomsday, and more specifically those who come out with or follow every doomsday like it's the millennium bug on meth (2012) this time.

It might not be the same for everyone, so I appreciate that you invite others to reflect, introspect, and speak for themselves, rather than simply dictate to us all what our motivations and reasons are. (that is what I have seen to be a problem around here. )

I don't consider myself someone obsessed with the whole doom thing.
On the other hand, I did feel guided, years ago to set up my life in a way that would maximize my survival chances in case of widespread catastrophy or failure of our current society system. I did it, and then went on enjoying life.


I admit though that at times, in reading about or hearing about certain scenarios of major destruction, I do feel a tinge of wanting such a thing to happen.

My perception is two fold-
One is simply my personal appreciation for the creative process, for change, for birth/rebirth. Even with the prospect of suffering, I always feel joy in anticipation of the new forms that shall come forth after. I'm a woman, perhaps that is part of our make up- otherwise we would have stopped letting babies come out of our genitalia long ago and none of us would have a physical form to experience!

In all honesty and sincerity, revealing my most profound secrets on this (at risk of being mocked)
I feel that years ago, I became aware of our collective consciousness, and remain connected even now.
And that we CHOOSE to push the re-start button from time to time, and start the game over.
Because our systems we have created are in a state of deterioration, our environment is saturated with refuse and drained of nutrients, the culture has become so set that radical change becomes difficult without some sort of strong trauma to shake free of it.

Also, as part of our experience of physical time-space existence, we like to have containers which evolve so as to experience different things, and there are points in time when change to the physical body (mutation) is facilitated, allowing some steps or leaps in the evolutionary process.

This means some growing pains. But I still see it as a beneficial process.
I do not have any beliefs in an afterlife exactly- I am not looking forward to going to any "heaven", though I do percieve a continuation of human consciousness as a collective that will continue to manifest in forms, and so my consciousness as an individual is not relevant to this change.

I also have a super happy life, by the way, so am not wanting to end it because I am miserable! (thats's what I see people accuse often on forums)
Do I look miserable?

good replies, thanks guys. It's nice to see the words of those who simply yearn for re-birth in peaceful terms rather than the over excited people who come on here shouting WORLD ENDS 9pm REPENT YOUR SINS! and so on

it's natural to wish things were different to the way they are, mankind has made a lot of mistakes.

anyway thanks for the perspectives, hopefully some of the more out-there amongst us will reply also.

You already answered your own question. They cant kill themselves and get into heaven... or ascend.... what ever idiotic nonsense these deluded fools spew these days.

What you should really be thinking about is.. what happens when their illogical beliefs of a paradise evaporate and their hate for the world remains....

Funny thing... I was actually called out today as being a doom monger, something that's never happened to me before, in real life nor online. That's actually what motivated me to open this thread in the first place.

Another aspect of me replying. I am acutely aware of my own psychology as I'm a long term mental health patient with PTSD and Bipolar II ( with five more sub level diagnoses as well ) so I have a sort of clarity that most others lack. I've been tested, analyzed, and dissected, mentally, about as much as anyone can be. This gives me a unique perspective into myself, if not into others as well.

This fixation with doom and the end is nothing new. A quick study of history shows that this theme has been playing out, in the minds of humanity, since our earliest writings. I personally think that this is simply a reaction to the acknowledgement of our own mortality. We all know our number is going to be pulled one day - so we tend to think about that. Basically our only defense in the face of mortality is to try to plan, investigate, and understand. We, as a species, put a lot of thought into not dying. In seeking to control the things we cannot control, those thoughts can sometimes get a bit carried away and bring us to some very strange places....

What if the world is going to end in 2012? What can I do to protect myself??? and we're off to the races.

Speaking only for myself - I can't control meteors, comets, nuclear war... so I focus on the things I can control. Those being worldly threats... things like overzealous law enforcement officers, corrupt politicians, tyranny, etc. But, in the end, it's probably about the same as worrying that aliens might kidnap me in my sleep and probe me. I just flavor my worry to suite my personal palette.

I don't think that the gloomy folks - at least those who aren't faking it to get Youtube hits - have a malicious or psychotic nature. In fact I think the opposite is true. I think they tend to be empathetic people who want to provide a "heads-up" to their peers and warn others of what they perceive as dangerous things. It's the Internet equivalent of standing next to the wet floor in a store - hoping to keep people from falling until an employee can be flagged down to clean it up. Of course there are probably exceptions to this... people who stir the pot just to watch others freak out. But I think these sociopathic types are exceptions and not the rule.

In summary - I think most people who become fixated upon doom are just manifesting their own fear of mortality without actually realizing it.

~Heff