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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen
Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire began during the Ministry of Jesus and continued intermittently over a period of about three centuries until the time of Constantine when Christianity was legalized.
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Just because the persecution didn't happen IN Rome doesn't mean it wasn't carried out by the Romans.
The fact still remains that Paul never met Jesus, killed his followers, then claimed to have a vision from him saying things never said while alive. You are completely ignoring the obvious. You refuse to even acknowledge what I'm saying because of the indoctrination.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by adjensen
Considering he did convert to Christianity after persecuting christians... Don't you think he would have mentioned meeting him somewhere in his documents?
At least something like... i met the cause of all of this once?
I find it quite obvious he never met Jesus...
Well, hooray for you, we can add it to your claim that Judaism and Christianity support reincarnation, which has been repeatedly demonstrated as complete fantasy.
Paul is clearly a follower of Christ, which is testified to in his follower, Luke's, book recalling the Acts of the Apostles, and needs no explicit restatement of fact.
So, shall we put our faith in Luke? Or in Akragon, who has been shown to state claims which are clearly invalid are true?
Originally posted by adjensen
Bah... I'll stack a Christian's ability to defend what the New Testament has to say against a critic any day. Critics either rely on emotional arguments ("Oh, look at how horrible this god is!") or they take what's in the text and twist it to make their point.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical
The persecution of Christians by Rome started during Jesus' ministry... how could Paul have sent the letters to Rome about his conversion before Rome started persecuting Christians?
Paul didn't convert until after Jesus died and Rome started persecuting Christians before Jesus died so where are you getting this information from?
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical
So why does the Holy Spirit gift and call pastors?
The fundamentals, the stepping stones to that relationship. Once you have the basics down, then you can go to Father on your own.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by HamrHeed
Asking for forgiveness isn't repentance, repentance must come first before a person can even think they are wrong to ask for forgiveness. I'd suggest seeing what "metanoia" means in Koine Greek.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen
How is your claim of Paul meeting Jesus with no proof any different from my claim of Roman persecution? Hypocrite much?
Originally posted by ahnggk
Originally posted by adjensen
Bah... I'll stack a Christian's ability to defend what the New Testament has to say against a critic any day. Critics either rely on emotional arguments ("Oh, look at how horrible this god is!") or they take what's in the text and twist it to make their point.
The critics have many reasons to curse God. The main reason being that nearly all Christians disobey the commands of Jesus. They don't follow what Jesus teaches!
Why would someone curse God because of the actions of people?
Thanks for the great example of an emotional and irrational argument!
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by adjensen
Why would someone curse God because of the actions of people?
Thanks for the great example of an emotional and irrational argument!
Actually it is not. Many people claim there is no God because of the murders, rapes, etc. that go on today in the world. These are the actions of man, not God performing these actions. But yet, many place the blame on God. They recognize him in a sense, but don't believe in him because of what man has done.
And this is the "falling man" mentality. Am I reading this right?
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by HamrHeed
And this is the "falling man" mentality. Am I reading this right?
I am not well versed on phrases here, so I could not answer this correctly.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by HamrHeed
And this is the "falling man" mentality. Am I reading this right?
I am not well versed on phrases here, so I could not answer this correctly.