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posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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I didn't know kids of 16 still needed parental permission to get married, thought once 16 they were considered an adult and that was it. Wondering if it is different in Scotland.




posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by wascurious
Where are all the "freedom of religion" right wing types? You have them over there too, right?


Those "right-wing types" only want religious protections and freedoms when its THEIR Christians religion only. According to them, the few hundred other gods and fairy tales are all FAKE... but THEIRS is REAL!!!



posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by facchino

But on the religious front - what is it lately with more and more instances of stories that make you feel utterly disgusted at the Islamic faith. This, inciting hatred, sharia law system running in parallel to uk law, more I read more I despise the religion and the practitioners of it.
May not be the "PC" thing to say - but I cannot stand watching what Islam is doing in the uk, and elsewhere.



That's exactly what the MSM wants you to feel about Muslims. Practice of child marriages can also be found among other cultures, Jews for an example, yet you wont see fearmongerers like Ollncasino make a topic about it.

Mohammed gets often portrayed on here as a peadophile for marrying a girl who was 9 years old, yet no one mentions that Virgin Mary was around 13 - 14 years of age when she gave birth to Jesus, wich just shows us that peadophilia at the time was accepted in almost every single culture.

LEt me give you another example



This happend few months back, a Serb was threatening Netherlands with terror atttack, only local Dutch papers printed the story. This story would be given much more attention had it been some crazy radical Muslim who was making the threats.

Dont fall for all the propaganda. I mean, radical Islam doesent belong in the West, but it is not creeping or hijacking our countries. Muslims make up under 7% of total European population, and lets assume that only 1 % of those want the Sharia LAw, how can 1 % impose a law on the other 99 % ? There is far greater threats to our societies than radical Islam, but the MSM want you to believe that the root to all the problems are Muslims.
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posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Got some proof of Jews marrying children? If so, post it.



posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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I like I said for a long time, when it comes to the practicing of Islam they follow no law but the law of Islam. So regardless of the source of the information, you can bet that is been done in the UK behind close doors, also I will not be surprised if that is not done here in the US also.

Islam is and sharia law is about domination, they will never submit to anything that is not base on their Islamic laws.

AT least here in the US we got laws against pedophiles but first you have to find them to charge them.



posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 08:26 PM
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i believe so, also if they are unable to get consent they can apply through a court if they are 16 -17 to get consent.



posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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I would really like a source (not another newspaper) for this


The current British law allows for Imans to carry out religious marriage ceremonies of consenting brides and grooms aged under 16 so long as they don't have sex until they are 16.

Daily Mail


The way I interpret it is that the marriage would be purely religiously symbolic and so the law wouldn't have anything to say about it because they wouldn't be legally married in the first place.

The whole story is horribly creepy and disgusting but I can see that it might be a hard thing to stop in law, how do you legislate for someone saying "ok you two are married now, not legally or in any form recognised in this country but you're married".

What I find really worrisome (if this is true) is that this has presumably been happening for a long time and presumably large numbers of people have known about it but this is the first time I'm hearing it being spoken against

I'm still not going to put any faith in a Daily Mail story though to be honest



posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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yep, that's why we see Christians stoning people on Sundays for working, they just totally ignore it is against the law to stone people. my point here is there are many things in the bible Christians could claim their religion allows them to do, however they don't because those things are also illegal.



posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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The problem is that a certain number of Muslims in the U.K. (not all i know) seem to think U.K. law can just be tossed out of the window and different rules apply to them because they are Muslim.

Now we can get into history and what other countries do, but the fact is in the u.k. sexual consent is 16 years old, and the age you are legally allowed to be married is 16 years old. This applies across the whole country, there are no exceptions. Yet some Muslims seem to think they can live under laws of different lands they are not living in.

It may well be symbolic as oppose to a legal marriage like another poster pointed out, but i would argue it is still against the law and at the very least social services if they were aware would be making frequent visits.

If any none Muslim said they were married to a child they would be locked up immediately regardless of if the state recognised it as a legal marriage or not.



posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by ArtooDetoo
[Mohammed gets often portrayed on here as a peadophile for marrying a girl who was 9 years old, yet no one mentions that Virgin Mary was around 13 - 14 years of age when she gave birth to Jesus, wich just shows us that peadophilia at the time was accepted in almost every single culture.


While I do not condone a 13 to 14 year old having a child, neither do I condone a 53 year Muhammad having sex with a 9 year old.


Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65

Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

Narrated 'Ursa:

The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).



Originally posted by ArtooDetoo
Practice of child marriages can also be found among other cultures, Jews for an example, yet you wont see fearmongerers like Ollncasino make a topic about it.


What game are you playing here? Spread the blame around?

Please post details of these examples of child marriage by Jews that you speak of.

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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by davespanners

I would really like a source (not another newspaper) for this

I'm still not going to put any faith in a Daily Mail story though to be honest


Apparently the Daily Mail only picked up the story.

The original source was the Sunday Times


The Sunday Times today reported allegations that Mohammed Kassamali, imam at the Husaini Islamic Centre mosque, in Burton Street, told an undercover reporter that he could carry out the ceremony.

peterboroughtod ay.co.uk


The Sunday Times article however is behind a firewall.


Revealed: scandal of child brides

Mazher Mahmood and Marie Woolf

Muslim clerics in Britain are prepared to conduct sharia marriages involving child brides as young as 12, an investigation ...

Published: 9 September 2012

The Sunday Times



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 12:30 AM
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Is this really a religious thing though? There are parts of North America where the age of consent is 12, which means sex, not just marriage... legal sex.



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 12:39 AM
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You could well be correct here, or you could be wrong.
I would like to state that if you found proof of such disgusting practices amongst Jews or any other
Religion and made a thread on it, I would post my absolute disgust on such a thread
Also. My hate of paedophiles is not reserved just for Islamic ones, but applies equally to all.
What is important though, is that other groups doing the same Illegal practice does NOT make this any more acceptable.

I also try not to refer to the distant past in these type of threads, because I don't feel it adds anything to the current topic. Civilisations all treated children differently in years gone by, but we in the west have become
more "civilised" and legislated against things that were once acceptable.

I still believe there are instances of things happening that display this tiny minority feels they are more in control than they are, recently a group postered an area of london as a sharia controlled zone. They were removed of course, but the point is they thought they had the right to do so, and impose Sharia on that area of the UKs capital city.

I even contacted my local MP about the fact sharia courts exist and why this group of people are able to abide by other laws for certain things, but received a fob off reply about one law of the UK being applicable to all -
didn't address that it is happening, across many UK cities.



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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Frightening really - 12 years old they are just children. In America as well, that's
Surprised me to be honest.



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by NotAnAspie
Is this really a religious thing though? There are parts of North America where the age of consent is 12, which means sex, not just marriage... legal sex.


Religious or cultural, it is happening in the UK and I don't like it.


The forced marriage of under-age girls is prevalent in many countries, with an estimated 25,000 young girls forced into marriage each day. The issue is becoming an increasing concern in the U.K., and in the London Borough of Islington.

Girls as young as nine-years-old are being forced into marriage in the London Borough of Islington, with marriages carried out by back street Imans.

"They have to cook for them, wash their clothes, everything. They are still attending schools in Islington, struggling to do their primary school homework, and at the same time being practically raped by a middle-aged man regularly and being abused by their families. So they are a wife, but in a primary school uniform."

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If the above can be believed (the source is the International Centre for Research on Women Link) 9 year olds are being forced into marriage and being raped.

Horrifying if it is true.



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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I understand that you don't like... I do.

Here's the reason I posted.

All over the world you have the issue of children being sexualized... as bad as that may be, people have constantly used this issue to persecute other religions and cultures through public support... all the while it is going on right outside their door. In the west you have countries where 12 year old sex is permitted and it doesn't take Sharia law to permit it. As a matter of fact those areas are predominantly Roman Catholicism... number one offender of persecuting other religions.

Now do you see the point I'm trying to make?

MEANWHILE, you have pedophilia rampant among that same church and since the West is so good at white washing everything, it likes to keep it's child prostitution rings a total secret.

The fact is, perversion is everywhere but you know what is just as bad if not even worse? It's when people use these excuses in politics to promote wars against religions and rain bombs on those children's heads that us so called decent western folk think they are holding those perverts off of.

Now I'm not saying that is your game here, I'm just making a point and watching the progression of the thread.
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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by NotAnAspie
The fact is, perversion is everywhere but you know what is just as bad if not even worse? It's when people use these excuses in politics to promote wars against religions and rain bombs on those children's heads that us so called decent western folk think they are holding those perverts off of.

Now I'm not saying that is your game here, I'm just making a point and watching the progression of the thread


There is no need rain bombs on the heads of Catholic priests or Muslim Imams. A visit by the police would suffice to enforce the law of the land.


Originally posted by NotAnAspie
In the west you have countries where 12 year old sex is permitted and it doesn't take Sharia law to permit it.


Where?



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by MystiqueAgent
I...I guess it's because I grew up in a different light (perhaps much similar to the lot of you) but do they really see that 12 years of age is a viable age for marriage? I guess I should be asking just how they see this as a good time for marriage? I mean even arranged marriages usually end up connecting when they are older. Honestly while I am all for this freedom of expression and religion I'd have to say I would stop the line right here pretty much they would be cutting off that girl from experiencing the rest of her life.


What do they care...she will have friends with his other wives....not like she will have any freedom anyway... BTW her life is to care for her husband, well until the day he feels the need to honor kill her.... It seems you have a problem with that..



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
The fact is, perversion is everywhere but you know what is just as bad if not even worse? It's when people use these excuses in politics to promote wars against religions and rain bombs on those children's heads that us so called decent western folk think they are holding those perverts off of.

Now I'm not saying that is your game here, I'm just making a point and watching the progression of the thread


There is no need rain bombs on the heads of Catholic priests or Muslim Imams. A visit by the police would suffice to enforce the law of the land.


Originally posted by NotAnAspie
In the west you have countries where 12 year old sex is permitted and it doesn't take Sharia law to permit it.


Where?



WOW... You totally missed the point. That went over your head by a mile.

No, there is no point in raining bombs on their heads, but that's exactly what happens and it is supported by people who join in on the persecution of religions, like Islam, Buddism and any other religion that gets in the way of the game plan... meanwhile the overseers of that game plan are festering with perversion.

In the west, no, perverts do not marry young children. They simply use them, abuse them and throw them back on the street.



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 01:18 AM
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unless of course you are a Christian polygamist that has five secret pubescent brides... cause it seems somehow that DOES happen in the west.

Go figure.





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