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Topic started on 9-9-2012 @ 04:06 PM by ollncasino

British Muslim mosque leaders are agreeing to carry out secret marriages with child brides as young as 12 in the UK, it emerged today.

According to the newspaper, the reporter was told by Imam Mohamed Kassamali that 'under sharia [Islamic law] there is no problem' in marrying a 12-year-old.

But while he declared Islamic Law dictated a girl should see 'her first sign of puberty at the house of her husband', he admitted they would all get in to trouble if she went to police saying she was forced into the marriage.

Daily Mail

Imam, Abdul Haque advised the undercover reporter, posing as the father of a 12 year old bride, to keep the ceremony a secret and warned that no one must know about the underage marriage.

Imam Haque further explained

'In Islam, once the girl reaches puberty the father has the right, the parents have the right, but under the laws of this country (the UK) if the girl complains and says her marriage has been arranged and she wasn't of marriageable age, then the person who performed the marriage will be jailed as well as the mother and father.'

Daily Mail

Should underage marriage be allowed for Muslims in Western countries because their religion and culture states that sex with a young bride is permissible?

I find it rather reprehensible that, as stated by the Imam above, a Muslim girl should see 'her first sign of puberty at the house of her husband'.

Personally, I think that girls of 12 years old should not be married under sharia law in Western countries.

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reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:13 PM by icepack

reply to post by ollncasino

this is illegal anyway in britain.

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:15 PM by ollncasino

Originally posted by icepack
reply to post by ollncasino

this is illegal anyway in britain.

Actually its not...

The current British law allows for Imans to carry out religious marriage ceremonies of consenting brides and grooms aged under 16 so long as they don't have sex until they are 16.

Daily Mail

But I think it should be illegal.

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reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:18 PM by icepack

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are you sure ? this is not checkable, is it ?

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:23 PM by lifeform11

why do they think British law does not apply to them? it does not matter what they think their beliefs allow, they live in the u.k. and where this particular law is concerned it is supported by the very vast majority of people across many religions in this country, why do they think their religion is so special that it would exempt them from the laws of the land.

I am speaking about those that think that way of course, I am certain there are many others with the same religious beliefs who also support the law on this and do not think the same way.

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:27 PM by MystiqueAgent

I...I guess it's because I grew up in a different light (perhaps much similar to the lot of you) but do they really see that 12 years of age is a viable age for marriage? I guess I should be asking just how they see this as a good time for marriage? I mean even arranged marriages usually end up connecting when they are older. Honestly while I am all for this freedom of expression and religion I'd have to say I would stop the line right here pretty much they would be cutting off that girl from experiencing the rest of her life.

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:30 PM by On the level

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:33 PM by doobydoll

They are in the UK where there are British laws in place to protect children. These people have no intention of abiding by the laws of this land.

If they want to continue living under Sharia law why ddon't they live in a Sharia friendly country, they wont be breaking any laws there when they want a little girl for a wife.

I don't understand why they want to live in western countries, they have absolutely no intention of integrating into western society and culture. They just seem to come here and continue living their heathen ways as if they're still in Pakistan or wherever.

There's no pleasing these people.

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:34 PM by detachedindividual

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For a start, it's the Daily Fail, right-wing trash for the idiot nation. The accuracy of everything they print is pretty suspect. But lets assume that they're not full of xenophobic BS on this and give them the benefit of the doubt...

Anyone marrying off a child of 12 is able to be prosecuted under UK law, whether the child agrees to the marriage or not. Under UK law, a person is not able to make adult decisions for themselves prior to the age of 18 in most instances, therefore this would be seen as child abuse.

Her parents, the person she is forced into marrying, the person who conducted the ceremony and anyone else involved can be prosecuted for child abuse.

No laws have been changed. What the Daily Fail is suggesting is happening is illegal under UK law, it is child abuse whether the people responsible are Islamic, Christian, or follow any other religion.

Regardless of the religion, it's criminal, those involved can and will be prosecuted.

As for what is right, my personal view is that it isn't. Regardless of the legality or criminality in other countries, all of those living in the UK are governed by the same laws. No religious group deserves any special treatment. If these people want to give their children to people, they should leave the UK and live in a country where such a thing is acceptable.

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:41 PM by IandEye

dare I say.....puritanical?

look around: age of consent in mexico- 13, japan- 12, cuba-13, and so on (these are from memory- please do your own fact-checking). I was astounded when I saw how many countries have young age limits. Makes 18 look like a grandma's age....

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:47 PM by ollncasino

Originally posted by detachedindividual
As for what is right, my personal view is that it isn't. Regardless of the legality or criminality in other countries, all of those living in the UK are governed by the same laws.

No religious group deserves any special treatment. If these people want to give their children to people, they should leave the UK and live in a country where such a thing is acceptable.

I agree with you.

Whether child marriage as a religious ceremony is tolerated or not in the UK in a religious sense, the central issue is that girls as young as 12 are being married in sharia ceremonies.

It is, as you state, child abuse.

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reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:52 PM by phroziac

Sure its wrong but what are ya gonna do? How ya gonna stop it?

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:54 PM by CthulhuMythos

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by icepack
reply to post by ollncasino

this is illegal anyway in britain.

Actually its not...

The current British law allows for Imans to carry out religious marriage ceremonies of consenting brides and grooms aged under 16 so long as they don't have sex until they are 16.

Daily Mail

But I think it should be illegal.

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WHAT???!!!! So UK law says it is ok for them to marry under the age of 16??? WTF? Oh and like they are going to get married and wait 4 years before doing the wild thing?? But for everyone else they would get slapped in jail with a sex offender listing to boot! Talk about double standards.

Even under Sharia law I think this is despicable, but in NO WAY should it be allowed for in UK. This is an outrage! We should not be changing our laws to accomodate foreign religions, especially whilst we have a different set for all the rest of us. When was this law put into effect? Anyone any idea?

edit on 9-9-2012 by CthulhuMythos because: years not yeard... *slap on head!

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 04:59 PM by ollncasino

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Young girls forced into under-age marriages in London

The forced marriage of under-age girls is prevalent in many countries, with an estimated 25,000 young girls forced into marriage each day. The issue is becoming an increasing concern in the U.K., and in the London Borough of Islington.

Girls as young as nine-years-old are being forced into marriage in the London Borough of Islington, with marriages carried out by back street Imans. Although child marriage is illegal in Britain, families circumvent the law by conducting marriages in shariah courts attached to mosques.

Dianna Nammi, director of IKWRO, described the ordeal of child brides. She noted they are forced to sleep with their husbands, which would be a crime under British law, and said

"They have to cook for them, wash their clothes, everything. They are still attending schools in Islington, struggling to do their primary school homework, and at the same time being practically raped by a middle-aged man regularly and being abused by their families. So they are a wife, but in a primary school uniform."

Link

Actually, this is even more horrifying than I realized.

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reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 05:10 PM by CthulhuMythos

I am now wondering, knowing what human nature is like, how many sharia married girls of 12, 13, 14, 15 get pregnant and since the governmental think tanks are forcing upon our younger kids the outrageous sex ed programme (see Living and Growing video if you want to see what is really going on in the classrooms at primary school) all because under aged kids are getting pregnant and this is how they think to reduce that, how much of that is due to under age marriage?
Also is it boys of 12 that are getting married to these young girls (pre-pubescent by the sounds of things if they are to start puberty in the married home) or are they being married off to men who are basically just legalised pedos?

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 05:22 PM by facchino

As has been said - the mail is a pretty poor paper often running unfounded Stories.
However - assuming this is fact, the principal behind this is disgraceful, and I feel that the authorities should make a real effort to hunt out what is, quite simply, organised Paedophilia.
No sugar coating this - its making girls under the age of consent marry and unquestionably partake in under age sex.
Religion makes no difference it's despicable behaviour and should be aggressively clamped down on.

But on the religious front - what is it lately with more and more instances of stories that make you feel utterly disgusted at the Islamic faith. This, inciting hatred, sharia law system running in parallel to uk law, more I read more I despise the religion and the practitioners of it.
May not be the "PC" thing to say - but I cannot stand watching what Islam is doing in the uk, and elsewhere.

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 05:24 PM by lifeform11

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as far as i am aware the age for marriage in the u.k. is 16, but even then i think consent is needed from both sets of parents until the person being married is 18 years old, from 18 onwards it is ones own choice.

either i have been thinking wrong my whole time living as a British citizen or special treatment is being given to certain members of society as in the law not applying to them, or it is illegal.

my understanding is that it is illegal and they should be prosecuted, and if not then it will lead many people in the u.k. to question what the hell is going on in this country. as i can guarantee 99% of the population here are against underage marriage.

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 05:43 PM by wascurious

Where are all the "freedom of religion" right wing types? You have them over there too, right?

reply posted on 9-9-2012 @ 05:44 PM by ollncasino