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Obama has declared himself the messiah?

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posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 01:42 PM

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by RealSpoke

No. he just calls himself the first black president as do all his followers......

Clinton was called the first black president unofficially. and unhumorously......

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 01:58 PM
Found this interesting quote from O himself:

"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire. January 7, 2008.

Egotistical much, O?

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 01:59 PM
reply to post by IandEye

Maybe there is something Slick Willy isn't telling us.....

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 02:04 PM
reply to post by tamusan

This article is very interesting:

What looks like illusion and madness to us ordinary folk, like reviving talk of Obama as Messiah after he's proven himself to be anything but, is the hallmark of the Marxist mind. Never mess with the fundamental formula. If delusions of grandeur were good enough for Marx in 1848 they're good enough for Obama in 2012. Read more:

When Bishop Vashti McKenzie, an advocate of black liberation theology, told everyone to rise, a rabbi in attendance described what he saw when he glanced over at Mr. Obama: " A beam of morning light shown [sic] through the stained-glass windows and illuminated the president-elect's face. Several of the clergy and choir on the altar who also saw it marveled afterward about the presence of the Divine. " Read more:


posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 03:35 PM

Originally posted by plank
Obama never claimed to be the Messiah

Four years ago he used self-messianic language. He said a vote for him would 'heal the oceans' etc etc. He never said he was the messiah .. but he sure did insinuate it and play on the language. It was pathetic.

Originally posted by neoholographic
Obama is the messiah in the eyes of this radical movement and this is why Farrakhan called him the messiah and Obama talks about collective salvation. So Obama's collectives salvation supersedes individual rights.

I didn't know that about 'collective salvation' etc etc.
I guess that explains all the self-messianic language used in 2008.

ATS Thread - Obama's Church Not Your Average Christian Church

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 03:38 PM
reply to post by neoholographic

Except he's not a Christian and no one can save anyone, not even their self. Obama needs help, he needs to become a real Christian and that's for any other one that calls theirself Christian.
edit on 9-9-2012 by soaringhawk because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 03:40 PM

Originally posted by RealSpoke
You guys really think Obama is racist? He hates himself and the only family he knows?

He has severe 'abandoned by my black rolling stone daddy' issues. He makes sure everyone knows he's "black enough" ("that's how white people will do you" .. and his grandmother is a 'typical white person" etc etc) and he embraces and all the 'socialist' issues that his father embraced. 'see daddy .. am I good enough now that you wouldn't abandon me??' It's all there.

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 04:01 PM
The whole message at the DNC was collectivism. The concept was promoted constantly in speech after speech with pretty flowery words. It is like the pretty poison of the blowfish.

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 04:14 PM
reply to post by neoholographic

Imo liberals should be marching on the street right now against the republican party. Obama, Bush, and Reagan not withstanding. The more I hear and see from the Romney ccamp, the more I'm inclined to agree that Obama may be a messiah of sorts. Although I think you're taking his statement out of context and slandering him as so many republican have been doing the last 4 years. I have never seen so many skeletons dug out of one presidents closet. They all seem to have them, but for some reason Obama's seem to be paraded around much more often. The lies are also paraded around often.

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 04:32 PM
He is NOT the Messsiah. He is a very naughty boy!

edit on 9/9/12 by Wirral Bagpuss because: You Tube Woes!

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 04:35 PM
reply to post by neoholographic

First I want to say this is the best and most interesting thread i have read on ATS in a while. I agree with many of your conclusions here.

Anytime you say things about any 'collective' salvation and it is from a concept within a 'theology,' meaning some form of religious thought, regardless of whether or not that religion includes God in it, you have a scarey thing. All religions teach individual salvation with an individual and communal caring for the collective need. Not a collective salvation, nor one individual who believes his own salvation (a meaning within a religious thought) depends on a 'saving' of the collective.

Anyone in need of saving, needs a savior... so who is the one doing the saving? Who believes they are the savior of the collective?

People most certainly want to equate Obama to a savior and use biblical language to do so.

therefore we have a religious thought devoid of God, who has a savior.... and that savior just so happens to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, who is taking individual rights away one by one by one.

Yes, this is scarey. I am going to be looking further into this religion, and see what it is they are teaching, and why the president apparently is parroting it with himself at the helm.

PS. NOL are not considered Muslims because they reject the basic tenents of Islam, one thing they reject is every man regardless of race is equal before God with the only thing separating one man from another before God being piety.
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posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 04:39 PM
Reaching much, OP?

Watch what he does and not what he says.

Obama has been a continuation AND further expansion of Bush/Cheney' govt.

Obama is NOT a socialis or marxist. He is as unrestraained capitalist (read corporatist, fascist) as they come.

Continuation of the tax cuts for the wealthy, free pass to BP, Obamacare written for and by the PRIVATE Insurance industry with NO Public Option, protect the telecomms, free trade agreements, expanding wars, funding the military being priority #1, etc, etc, etc.

Stop listening to the right wing propaganda machine and JUST OPEN YOUR GODDAMN EYES!

Romney is another Obama, by the way.

You think the elite will leave their power and wealth be swayed by the opinion of the unwashed masses? Unwashed masses that will believe anything printed as a headline or puked by a political pundit on tv and AM radio?

Are you kidding me?

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 04:41 PM
reply to post by neoholographic

"This is the most radical thing I ever heard coming from a President."


Even more radical then Bush's infamous line, "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists"?
More radical them Bush Sr, "What is at stake is more then one small country, it is a big idea, a
new world order"?

I'm just not seeing it. I don't think that's what Obama was implying at all.
If you dig at it long enough though, I'm sure you can interrupt it anyway you see fit.
As far as being the most "radical" statement ever coming out of a president's mouth,
I beg to differ. You may want to go back say more then four years ago and dig up
some quotes by GWB. Quotes that are truly radical and scary beyond belief.

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 05:38 PM
I think what it's saying is he is stating he cannot be saved himself, individually, and that goes for everybody.
We must come together, collectively for salvation to work, but the bible says it is to be each person, individually judged.

So this denounces the idea of judgement, the common theme in luciferian doctrine, for obvious reasons.

It appears to set the stage for the new world order and eradication of religions with the idea they all converge under one religion.

Basically it's just another excuse for more rules and regulations.

Doing the right things like helping others, by the bibles standards means voluntarily but this would be a forced way of helping with things we might not want to help. It would hardly be sincere from each individual but would serve his agenda and plants the idea that we work collectively if we want a ticket into heaven.

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 06:13 PM
IMO you're doing the normal thing I have seen GOP fanatics do so many time. Take one piece of a peech out of context to use to your own manipulative ends. But regarding your reference to Reagan and Bush, again IMO, I see that there definately WAS an improvement from second rate to first rate. Reagan was no more than a second rate cowboy actor who was put into office as a novelty and was (acting) pretending to be a president, and Bush was simply a first rate drunk who was helped into office by daddy. How you guys have managed to survive those years is a credit to the general population.

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 06:15 PM
Read a dictionary. Salvation means more than only religious salvation. Twisting words, manipulating meaning, taking phrases and words out of context is just spreading lies. Consider your own "salvation". My brother in law just sent me a picture of a billboard about Obama's saying "We built this" as if he hadn't meant the infrastructure that ALLOWS businesses to run... like roads and bridges. He did NOT claim that government built the businesses. But the billboard claims that and that business leaders were together in claiming he is wrong and so forth. They were offended that Obama said government built businesses. Duhhhhhhhhhh People don't look any further than when they've heard what they WANT to hear, to reinforce their already made up minds. Which means, their Narrow and Close Minded Minds. Inflexible and ignorant and proud of it! Obama was NOT talking about Religious Salvation. Get Over It! Pay Attention to what others whom you perceive to be your opponents say, and sometimes you might learn something to your own benefit. And by benefit, I don't mean reinforcing your own ideas, but opening your mind up to new ideas and how you might be wrong in your current stance. Forget the labels, Right, Left.... examine the FACTS and not just the Propaganda and then use your Common Sense to understand what is a lie and what isn't.

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 07:44 PM

Originally posted by IandEye

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by IandEye
this thread raises a great question:

would the messiah be a politican or president?

my answer is hell no. not because of the individual but because the political system is set-up to reward greed and avarice ("good 'ol boy network") and even the Messiah couldnt get through the ranks succesfully.
i wonder what kind of job the Messiah would have, if any. can one earn a living without taking from others? hmmmm......

No, he is the KING and this planet already belongs to him. He has no need to take what is already his.

thank you for that very straightforward and solid answer. about the Messiah, not Obama, right?

Indeed, certainly not Obama.

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 07:49 PM

Originally posted by soaringhawk
reply to post by neoholographic

Except he's not a Christian and no one can save anyone, not even their self. Obama needs help, he needs to become a real Christian and that's for any other one that calls theirself Christian.
edit on 9-9-2012 by soaringhawk because: (no reason given)

He has heard the Word and ignored him and accepted worship. He quotes from the Quran in one hand and mocks the Holy Bible in the other. The man is clearly delusional about his own capabilities. It's kind of Ironic how Bill Clinton called Obama an amatuer 2 years ago and now he's on his knees falling all over himself to kiss Obama's ass in his endorsement ads, almost like he's trying to brown nose a king.

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 08:46 PM

Originally posted by OpinionatedB

PS. NOL are not considered Muslims because they reject the basic tenents of Islam, one thing they reject is every man regardless of race is equal before God with the only thing separating one man from another before God being piety.

I think you have a typo there, and meant "NOI" for "Nation of Islam" rather than "NOL",

NOI is nothing more than a leftist political movement trying to hide behind a veneer of religion, embodied by Islam. Cone also is a leftist, and in truth I've never seen a proponent of "Liberation Theology" of any stripe who was not a leftist, most of them flaming communists. They goddamned near killed off all of Central America, and now they're trying to bring it to us.

Blood in the streets, folks, blood in the streets. It happened there, and there is no reason on Earth that it can't happen here.

Lock and load.

posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 10:42 PM
Despite the OP FAIL the comments were well worth it.

Yes, I am still here. Still watching........

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