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On the basis of their measurements, the team concluded that if the photons had communicated, they must have done so at least 100,000 times faster than the speed of light — something nearly all physicists thought would be impossible. In other words, these photons cannot know about each other through any sort of normal exchange of information.
www.nature.com...
The last question was asked for the first time, half in jest, on May 21, 2061, at a time when humanity first stepped into the light. The question came about as a result of a five-dollar bet over highballs, and it happened this way:
Alexander Adell and Bertram Lupov were two of the faithful attendants of Multivac. As well as any human beings could, they knew what lay behind the cold, clicking, flashing face -- miles and miles of face -- of that giant computer. They had at least a vague notion of the general plan of relays and circuits that had long since grown past the point where any single human could possibly have a firm grasp of the whole.
Multivac was self-adjusting and self-correcting. It had to be, for nothing human could adjust and correct it quickly enough or even adequately enough. So Adell and Lupov attended the monstrous giant only lightly and superficially, yet as well as any men could. They fed it data, adjusted questions to its needs and translated the answers that were issued. Certainly they, and all others like them, were fully entitled to share in the glory that was Multivac's.
For decades, Multivac had helped design the ships and plot the trajectories that enabled man to reach the Moon, Mars, and Venus, but past that, Earth's poor resources could not support the ships. Too much energy was needed for the long trips. Earth exploited its coal and uranium with increasing efficiency, but there was only so much of both.
But slowly Multivac learned enough to answer deeper questions more fundamentally, and on May 14, 2061, what had been theory, became fact.
Why?
MichaelBrux Neither. Both.
God is not subject to time, we are. we are bound and contained in a box that only God lives outside of, which from our point of view is both past and future...i.e eternity.
That's true, but since before the universe time doesn't exist, it hardly stops it's creation being projected from the future, when time does exist. Because without time, a million billion eternities has happened in a blink of an eye, by the time of the first second. What I am proposing is purest nothing is inherently unstable, because without time there is no time until it finds a way out of being nothing. Even right now, we know the purest vacuum in this universe is crammed full with virtual photon -my guess is that it's some kind of safety system-program, because (by being full of something) -even if it is virtual, a new universe is created from exploding into being here there & everywhere.
TruthSeekerMike God is uncreated. Even if a machine could create universes, it would have still been created by creatures of the uncreated God.
Originally posted by adjensen
Logically, the creation cannot contain its creator, and if time is a variable associated with the creation, but not the creator, there isn't a rational answer to your question, because "future" and "past" are non-rational concepts in a non-temporal realm.
The traditional answer, of course, is that the creator is outside of time, and so is a non-created thing, without beginning or end.
Originally posted by ImaFungi
Originally posted by adjensen
Logically, the creation cannot contain its creator, and if time is a variable associated with the creation, but not the creator, there isn't a rational answer to your question, because "future" and "past" are non-rational concepts in a non-temporal realm.
The traditional answer, of course, is that the creator is outside of time, and so is a non-created thing, without beginning or end.
the creator can be outside of our time,,
but wouldn't the creator still have to obey the unfolding of our time?
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by ImaFungi
Originally posted by adjensen
Logically, the creation cannot contain its creator, and if time is a variable associated with the creation, but not the creator, there isn't a rational answer to your question, because "future" and "past" are non-rational concepts in a non-temporal realm.
The traditional answer, of course, is that the creator is outside of time, and so is a non-created thing, without beginning or end.
the creator can be outside of our time,,
but wouldn't the creator still have to obey the unfolding of our time?
No, not if they are outside of time -- everything in our existence would already have happened from that perspective.
The best illustration that I've run across is this. Take a piece of paper, and draw a straight line on it. The beginning of the line is your birth, the end is your death. Along that line are the events of your life -- going to school, getting married, having children, and so on, but you can only move along that line in one direction, from left to right, birth to death.
Now, with that in mind...
God is the paper.
Normal logic has a habit of being irrelevant whenever it comes to things like e.g. The Double Slit Experiment www.youtube.com... (Although annoying, this 5 minute cartoon video, actually explains better the experiment than any other video I’ve seen)
abjensenLogically, the creation cannot contain its creator,
Originally posted by Liberal1984Question: “What was going on 27 billion, or 270 billion years ago?”
Originally posted by ImaFungi
universe begins.,.,,. for us this is the beginning of time.,,. for us this is the only time we know,.,. meanwhile god is aware of his realm and time,, and he is aware of ours,.,.
there could be different lapses of time,.,.,. the bible writers thought of this when they wrote a thousand days on earth is a day in heaven,, but i might have gotten that backwards.,..,
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by circlemaker
"There's no time before it. It's the origin point for both space and time. "
its the origin point for both space and time of the universe the singularity created,.,.
but you dont get to dictate to reality whether or not space, time, and energy existed before the big bang/singularity...
Originally posted by michaelbrux
Neither. Both.
God is not subject to time, we are. we are bound and contained in a box that only God lives outside of, which from our point of view is both past and future...i.e eternity.
the AI will be subject and bound within this very same box. after reading all of the books and processing all of the data, the AI will arrive at the same conclusion I've proposed.
no matter how advanced the AI becomes...it will always and forever be little more than a single data point among many on a much bigger and far more powerful computer screen.