Global Extinction within one Human Lifetime

Global Exinction within one Lifetime

Permian extinction event temperatures and methane lifetime data paints a frightening picture of the beginning of the now uncontrollable global warming induced destabilization of the subsea Arctic methane hydrates on the shelf and slope which started in late 2010. This process of methane release will accelerate exponentially, release huge quantities of methane into the atmosphere and lead to the demise of all life on earth before the middle of this century.

Although the sudden high rate Arctic methane increase at Svalbard in late 2010 data set applies to only a short time interval, similar sudden methane concentration peaks also occur at Barrow point and the effects of a major methane build-up has been observed using all the major scientific observation systems. Giant fountains/torches/plumes of methane entering the atmosphere up to 1 km across have been seen on the East Siberian Shelf.

This is the most frightening article I have ever read. Any thoughts?

The reason I believe so many people refuse to look at the science is that it frightens them either that or people believe it is not something that will greatly affect them in their lifetime so they will leave it to the next generation to deal with.

There was a study done on the psychology behind this and it found that it is very hard for most people to think in long term effects of just about anything.

Look at people who smoke cigarettes they know it can cause cancer and all kinds of health problems but they do it anyway. It is a slow suicide but socially accepted but if someone commits suicide it is not socially accepted the only difference is the length of time it takes to reach the same end result even if they do not get cancer it is a proven fact that smoking shortens a person’s life.

Dr assisted suicide=illegal
Marlboro assisted suicide=perfectly legal

It doesn’t really make sense when you look at it in that fashion but people’s minds just work that way.

Nuke the planet = everyone screams in fear
Pollute the planet to death = they take the wait and see approach as long as it doesn’t kill us today.

It isn’t all doom and gloom because at the end of the document it states what needs to happen to avoid catastrophe. Maybe now that it will no longer be the next generation’s problem our generation will do what is necessary.

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What about when there was no ice at all because the weather was much warmer? This is complete fearmongering.

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It is a scientific report that I have yet to find a peer review that refutes it. I was not involved in the study and yes it is scary. I thought I said that.

If your entire argument is based on that it has been warm before I am afraid I do not have the patience to explain how vegetation from warmer periods in earth’s history break down into gasses and carbon fuels and that releasing them at an accelerated rate is not a good thing.

Oh wait I just did.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
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What about when there was no ice at all because the weather was much warmer? This is complete fearmongering.

When there was no ice there was plants there but the ice is what killed these plants which turned them to giant areas of methane which now will kill us. Where do you think the methane is coming from ?

Originally posted by dreamfox1

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
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What about when there was no ice at all because the weather was much warmer? This is complete fearmongering.

When there was no ice there was plants there but the ice is what killed these plants which turned them to giant areas of methane which now will kill us.

My point is that this is something that goes back and forth. The world constantly heats and cools. Did the last warming period lead to the extinction of all life? What about the ice age? This is sensationalized and does not fit into reality.

Methane is very short lived. This article is just a scare-piece.

It's a shame but the science surrounding changes in the climate has evolved to a point where it is purely a political debate based around the fact as to whether one believes or not.

Give me a break.

As an engineer and someone who considers themselves to be a proponent of green technologies, I am really getting sick of seeing people belittle others for disagreeing with the PC stance.

Carbon tax will not save the environment.

Neither will Obama, Gillard nor Prius owners.

The whole climate debacle has reached a point where a solution will not be resolved because of all the morons fighting about "who is right" will waste everyones time with useless debates instead of getting to the crux of the problem.

We still don't know if any reaction that we have toward a changing environment, will in turn throw out natures balance and make the whole situation worse.

We need data.

We need people who have experience in the subject and can be impartial.

We need to be very cautious.....and then some.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
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It is a scientific report that I have yet to find a peer review that refutes it. I was not involved in the study and yes it is scary. I thought I said that.

If your entire argument is based on that it has been warm before I am afraid I do not have the patience to explain how vegetation from warmer periods in earth’s history break down into gasses and carbon fuels and that releasing them at an accelerated rate is not a good thing.

Oh wait I just did.

edit on 8-9-2012 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

I can show you a study that says warmer temperatures will lead to some species dying today, but will be good for biodiversity in the future. This is not the first time the planet cooled off and had an ice age. It won't be the last. Where was the last Global Warming ELE?

I know........nature will adapt


I really hope soo

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by dreamfox1

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
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What about when there was no ice at all because the weather was much warmer? This is complete fearmongering.

When there was no ice there was plants there but the ice is what killed these plants which turned them to giant areas of methane which now will kill us.

My point is that this is something that goes back and forth. The world constantly heats and cools. Did the last warming period lead to the extinction of all life? What about the ice age? This is sensationalized and does not fit into reality.

Vegetation from warmer periods in earth’s history break down into gasses and carbon fuels and that releasing them at an accelerated rate is not a good thing.

We are talking about hundreds if not thousands of years’ worth of gasses that have built up from decaying vegetation being released into our atmosphere in a very short time. It is a cascade effect.

If someone can provide a peer review that refutes there claims I will be happy to read it.

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Regards your comments about smoking, I have to say that you are ignoring one key factor about human life, and living on earth, that pertains to the apparant stupidity of smoking as a habit. I smoke myself, but I do so for several reasons. First of all, ironically, I breathe easier when I do. Having had asthma for many years before I started, the ability to breathe in and out effectively NOW is more beneficial to me than the oppertunity to breathe half cocked during the years of my physical prime and beyond would be.

Second, I live fairly close to the poverty line, have no prospects for earning my way out of that situation, will never be able to afford a pension (unless I win a lottery I refuse to play on the grounds of being against gambling) and will have a twilight full of squalor at the very best to look forward to in my distant future, and little else. Therefore it is important to me that I do everything I can to avoid actually having an old age, although I wish to enjoy what I have remaining of my prime, and be as capable of living it up now as I can be. I will not kill myself directly, but if I avoid the indignity starving to death in a council house, covered in my own effluent and weeping my last hours away unable to move, then I will consider myself lucky, since that is my fate, should I live that long.

I have thought this through. However, where the fate of the human race is concerned, I have to agree with you. The fact is that if the human race accepted as a whole , that continued use of fossil fuels, over use of heat regulators in the home and manufacturing plants, burial of nuclear waste, and the reliance on non sustainable power in general, were bad ideas, and if they had accepted this YEARS ago, then we might be in a better position to alter our fate as a species.

Perhaps if the human race had realised these things and actually acted upon it, we might live in a world in which we had a future on this rock, and as a consequence, perhaps at the personal level I would see some value in attaining old age, infirmity, and indignity. However, it is too late by all accounts for all of us, if the data coming out of the polar regions is accurate. Our only option now is to bugger off this rock before it decides to shake us off by spewing out chemicals which will stifle all but the hardiest of life on the earth.

I wish I had the power to change these things. I wish I had the power to change my fate. I have the vision, as do many regular people. But what I have not got, is power, and without it we cannot force change to happen for the better, or for the worse. Doom, I am sorry to say, is not worth staying healthy for.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by Grimpachi
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It is a scientific report that I have yet to find a peer review that refutes it. I was not involved in the study and yes it is scary. I thought I said that.

If your entire argument is based on that it has been warm before I am afraid I do not have the patience to explain how vegetation from warmer periods in earth’s history break down into gasses and carbon fuels and that releasing them at an accelerated rate is not a good thing.

Oh wait I just did.

edit on 8-9-2012 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

I can show you a study that says warmer temperatures will lead to some species dying today, but will be good for biodiversity in the future. This is not the first time the planet cooled off and had an ice age. It won't be the last. Where was the last Global Warming ELE?

Yes I read the report it states that there will be worldwide extinctions followed by an increase in biodiversity and it was also stated in that report the increase in biodiversity occurs when there is an increase in overall temperatures over a long period of time.

Here is that reportBiodiversity
Here is the ATS thread where we debated itATS

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I don't find it frightening at all. If we cannot nurture the world and each other, then the world will find a way to purge itself of the virus that is the human race.

I welcome it. We have shown ourselves to be irresponsible and highly dangerous, and so if we cannot change, we must be eliminated for the good of the rest of the world. Between our predatory nature and the beauty of the earth, I choose the beauty of the earth. If our species must be lost to preserve what remains of nature and its divinity, then so be it.

The only tears you'll see from me will be to mourn what might have been, but was not chosen. We chose poorly. We could have been so great, but every decision has its consequence. We ignored the signs, we continued to indulge. We'll either evolve or we'll pay the price. As long as it stops, I don't care which comes first. We have put ourselves above all else for far too long.

Enough is enough.

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You have my sympathies in regards to your failing health and I understand to some degree. I used the analogy because I feel it fits because I smoke and for me it is an addiction much like how I feel our world is addicted to fossil fuel. I know smoking is bad for me but I just cannot act on what I feel I can do tomorrow. It goes to my own short sightedness however if things continue as they have in regards to this world I may take up drinking. I have also had some of the same thoughts as you but for now I will at least try to get the information heard.

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I fear I may have misrepresented myself. Right now, I am young (twenty seven), healthy, and in my physical prime. But factually speaking I have no qualifications worth a damn, no prospects to earn more than the pittance I earn now, I will never be able to afford to HAVE an old age, unless I am prepared to starve to death through poverty, or have a half life funded by charity, which will still see me die covered in my own crap.

Therefore, there is no reason for me to care for my future, because I have not got one that I would wish to see realised. Call me selfish, but I just do not want to live that life.

LOL @ the use of the Permian Extinction to scare people about the GW debacle.

Does anyone know when the Permian Extinction took place? Or what the planet was like at that time? For all intent and purposes, we should be talking about an alien world.

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I sure as hell did miss the good ol doom porn.That being said like Krishna put it clearly:"The wise man knows not to worry neither for the living nor for the dead".Our vessels are all doomed to an end anyway,may it be today or in 50years.I say make the most out of this short life you have...ohhh and i also think when the planet gets tired of all our shenanigan(?)it will wipe us all of it surface so u see,if that time has come,that time has come...

If this was a movie I think now would be the time that they roll out the spaceship with the specialized drilling crew or the part where people are buying billion dollar tickets on a giant ship but it’s not.
There are several other articles like this one that have been published and peer reviewed but this one is by far the one that made me sit back and think a while.

I made this argument in another thread:

(How much is life worth to you? How much would you pay if say you were diagnosed with cancer and the doctors said without treatment you would die in 10 years but treatment will be expensive?

Would you want a second opinion? I would. Now how about thousands of opinions? You got it.

I say look at this from the perspective of being diagnosed with cancer but instead of getting one or two second opinions you got the opinion of every doctor in the world and 96% agreed with the diagnoses would you still want to wait or would you want treatment right away? )

The biggest problem is admitting something needs to be done and so far there is a huge portion of the world that isn't ready to take that first step. Doing what needs to be done it may be impossible but I think we need to try.

You know when people say that America is addicted to oil, it really fits.

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I think that saying America is addicted to oil, is like saying that an unfortunate few are addicted to air. Every nation that has technology, uses oil. From Russia to Brazil, from Britain to Australia. Many nations that do not actually NEED oil, which could get more power from solar energy (African, and Middle Eastern nations in particular, as well as Australia), having as they do, massive tracts of desertificated land, ripe for solar farming, continue to use oil to power cities and vehicles, despite the horrific cost to thier pocket books, and to the planet.

We have had water driven engines that could match the performance of thier petroleum burning counterparts since at least the eighties, if not before. But every alternative means of powering vehicles and homes has either been rendered impotent enough to be ignored by the Big Oil Ban Hammer, or has been crushed by the same out of fear of destroying the world economy. The fact is, with the world economy as buggered up as it currently is, I believe this would be the best time for these buried projects to be unearthed, and laws passed preventing the censure of such material.

The only reason we still use fossil fuels is that the people who have been selling the stuff have so much power over thier competitors, and so much reach politically, that they have effectively stifled all the most promising advances in power production over the last fifty years or so, often with the assitance of various governments and international organisations. It is a disgrace, and these people have murdered our species, if the predictions are accurate. May as well have fed us polenium one twenty for all the good thier tactics have done us.

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I don't know what's more frightening, that study, or the lack of interest in your thread. Twelve hours later and nobody thinks this is HUGE? We have Ocam there who replies ten minutes later, which means he didn't even read the article, and says it's fear mongering, because he/ she doesn't understand it.
I've been trying to wake people up on this site for a long time, some get it, most don't.
Thank you for posting the article, it's important stuff and I would have missed it otherwise.