Believer101 ... I'm going to be honest about reading this letter ... It seems a bit like the same rhetoric that gets us nowhere?
The issue with using those buzz words like 'first amendment' ... 'freedom' ... is they're overly used an abused by both sides of this discussion.
America especially seems obsessed with abusing these terms to add fuel to their argument and they're far too easily spurned aside by both sides ...
The first amendment ... some people will go as far as saying that it's freedom to hate. The religious right believes that homosexuals want to silence
them completely and vice versa. It's just such a rhetorical conversation I wish we didn't have to have it any more.
Freedom is the other big one. To some people it means freedom of majority rules. That means homosexuals should shut up and go to the back of the bus.
Some believe that freedom has nothing to do with the debate; you're free to have sex with whoever you want.
The next part is, this letter is written in America. Not a single one of the 60 - 70% of Christians in the country will likely be touched by this
approach. Unfortunately, I just feel like it's preaching to the strawman choir and encouraging yet more rhetoric and saber ratling.
Originally posted by charles1952
So for me, (And I am perfectly willing to admit this is just a feeling, and that many see it differently.) the gay marriage question is "Will you
pass laws so that we can get more benefits than we had in the past?" I can understand that it would make them happy, and would be a "nice" thing
to do, but I don't see the necessity for it. And I don't want to sound harsh, but I can almost hear the straights asking, "Why should we change?
What do I get out of it?" And I haven't heard a good answer.
Hiya Charles (we spoke ages ago in another thread, was good)
I could go on for quite a while regarding the usual ones that Americans often don't have like spousal privilege/inheritence rights, hospital/nursing
home rights, family leave, not having to constantly prove a relationship exists ... I can see necessity for all of these things and strongly encourage
research in this area as to what 'benefits' means. I actually think 'benefits' is a really wrong term for around 1/3rd of the equation but anyway
There is something that homosexual marriage would give that straight people could get behind though to be honest. My privacy. That isn't a threat
saying I'll post pictures of myself and my partner making out on youtube (that unfortunately might back fire anyway) but privacy for myself means no
awkward conversations with the dentist, work colleagues, random people on the street or whoever else asks ...
Insurance company asks? I'm married.
Office worker asks? I'm married.
Hospital asks? We're married.
It removes a whole level of awkwardness out of the equation when you can just blend in with everyone else. Take insurance companies for example. You
get asked this question, what do you say? 'I'm in a relationship' and it pretty much goes down hill from there. I really don't want my insurance
company taking interest in these questions. Then you have to explain the whole thing in case your insurance company doesn't see it the same way.
Then there's the absolute worst thing to have to say ... 'yes, but we're the same gender, is that okay?'. Like we should be apologising to the
person on the end of the phone? Then they feel awkward, and we all feel awkward. You can imagine how much more awkward it gets when whatever you're
asking isn't covered or they haven't dealt with it before or they're not sure if we're eligible etc ...
Frankly I don't want to have to look up gay friendly insurance companies or open a conversation with, 'do you support gay people?' I don't want to
discuss my homosexual health plan, and I like to think the person on the other end of the phone doesn't either.
Moving country can be just as irritating. I guess there's always this ilussion that people want to force sexuality on other people when in fact the
vast majority just wanna fill out our XY41 application and get on with our lives.
Guess a good way of putting it is ... next time you see a rainbow flag outside a chemist or insurance company with a bunch of the typical types having
a giggle about how gay people are always out and proud and they hate it, and they would be okay with gay people if they would just not scream about it
so much and why the hell did they all move into the same suburb anyway? ... Answer is because they have a check box like this:
[ x ] In a relationship
And I tick it without making the administration staff picturing what my partner looks like.