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Originally posted by Eidolon23
Originally posted by antar
reply to post by Destinyone
I am proud to hear you have done this. Could you open a thread and teach us your trade?
I second that motion, and would like to go further:
If you have skills or a trade you'd like to share, start a thread and feel free to link here! We already have a tremendous resource for learning about growing and processing food:
edit on 8-9-2012 by Eidolon23 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Tardacus
Rural people have always been less well off financially than their urban brethren so out of necessity they have perfected the art of bartering.
unlike in the big cities things aren`t open or available 24/7
if your well pump stops working on sunday afternoon you can`t just pick the phone and have the "well pump repair man" there in an hour. you`re gonna have to wait till 9 oclock monday morning to talk to a repair man.If you don`t want to go without water till monday morning you have to go out there and fix it yourself, or have a neighbor come over and fix it for you then you help him with something he needs done. Believe it or not it does still work this way in a lot of rural places in america.
edit on 8-9-2012 by Tardacus because: (no reason given)
I definitely appreciate the gesture. And there are definite solutions in DIY, but as I see it there are 3 enormous obstacles.
1. People don't care. They would rather buy cheap and convenient than support local, usually more expensive, producers. Basically the Walmart consumers, which make up the vast majority. Clearly they don't care because they would never even think about looking at that tag on that pair of jeans to see where it was made.
2. Big business owns the majority of the land and resources needed to produce things.
3. Big business owns the majority of the expensive, state of the art technology that enables them to produce said resources more efficiently and cheaply, making it very difficult for small business to compete.
All that said, there is an organization that I'm very fond of. They are trying to tackle the problem I listed as #2. The technology. They're called Open Source Ecology. opensourceecology.org
Considering so much of the edge that big business has regarding technology is based on intellectual property (patents, copyrights, trade secrets, etc.) they are using the idea of open source software and applying it to real physical machines like tractors, power cubes, earth brick press, CNC machines and many others.. basically machines that humans use today to live a high-tech, high quality life.
It's a very difficult goal, but I think they are the most ambitious group out there that are trying to revolutionize the economy using DIY values!
Originally posted by Snoopy1978
reply to post by hawkiye
Hah! I lied, I really didnt set up a lemonade stand.
Originally posted by Reflection
reply to post by hawkiye
Just because I'm acknowledging the obstacles doesn't mean I have a defeatist attitude. It just means I'm being a realist. I never implied that things, or more importantly people, can't change. Just by using the word "obstacle" I'm implying that its something that needs to be overcome. That IS being positive.
I think all of the DIY ideas are great and there are many that could improve their lives with it on some level. I'm just more concerned about large scale economic and ecological change, because everything and everyone is connected whether they want to be or not. And if society and/or the global ecosystem collapses while I'm building my state of the art Earthship, I'm still going down with the actual Earth ship.
You mentioned that humans own 30% of the land base. Well, that seems like a ton for one species, especially considering the way we treat it. Which is again more evidence that humans are absolutely having an effect on the planet.
Now that being said, social and environmental change could arise from a grass roots movement like DIY, but I don't know if there is enough time for that. I just think we're gonna have to do a lot more than that if we want to avoid some level of social and environmental collapse.
I'm not being pessimistic. I'm just acknowledging the problems. You have to do that before you can find a solution. Of course, not everyone is going to agree with me that we are on the verge of collapse, but that's a whole other topic.
How was I getting upset?
If anything, you are the one being emotional, getting personal and asking what I am doing to be the change and making assumptions about what I do personally. Getting personal is completely unnecessary in this forum.
The only thing that is relevant is the information I present. Like solutions like Open Source Ecology. But even the guys from OSE would be the first to tell you about how hard the obstacles they are dealing with are and they've barely scratched the surface. Those guys have a very healthy mix of optimism and pessimism. And a lot of their pessimism is because they're trying to do BIG THINGS! They aren't just looking out for number 1 and hoping to inspire a few people. They are looking to revolutionize the game
We need a lot more of them. Not people just trying to get off the grid and start an ecovillage. We need big solutions right now. If you think we have all the time in the world to wait for a grass roots movement to gradually catch on over time, fine. We can agree to disagree. But I hope you used critical thinking to come to that conclusion and not just happy feelings.
And one other thing, when you say "stop worrying about the world", I think that's something too many of us don't do enough of!