Originally posted by Annee

No - - it is not my belief.

There are enough indicators in scientific research to point to sexual orientation being part of early fetus development and possibly even later.

Studies indicate it comes through the mother. There's a pattern that's still being studied.

There are studies with Fruit Flies - - - where sexual attraction is changed by manipulating brain chemicals.

And there is the word of gays themselves.

Sorry again, but this is not proof.

These are all "ideas". Various "hypotheses" put forward by people who have all sorts of reasons for writing articles and getting published.

You will notice that there's no "one reason" put forward, but everyone has a different cause for homosexual behavior. It's all guesswork, and imagination. There's no real scientific work behind any of these ideas.

Originally posted by GreatOwl

Originally posted by Annee

No - - it is not my belief.

There are enough indicators in scientific research to point to sexual orientation being part of early fetus development and possibly even later.

Studies indicate it comes through the mother. There's a pattern that's still being studied.

There are studies with Fruit Flies - - - where sexual attraction is changed by manipulating brain chemicals.

And there is the word of gays themselves.

Sorry again, but this is not proof.

These are all "ideas". Various "hypotheses" put forward by people who have all sorts of reasons for writing articles and getting published.

You will notice that there's no "one reason" put forward, but everyone has a different cause for homosexual behavior. It's all guesswork, and imagination. There's no real scientific work behind any of these ideas.

I've read many of the religious based de-bunkers. Nothing new.

Homosexuals know they were born. They are their own proof. They are proof.

There are science based indicators of gender attraction being part of the body make up. That is fact.

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It amazes me some believe in the power of an imaginary being - - - and a man (son of god) - - - when there is zero actually proof or history of this person.

But - - choose to deny science and personal individual knowledge.

Originally posted by Annee

Homosexuals know they were born. They are their own proof. They are proof.

Sadly, people can be made to believe absolutely anything. Nobody knows they were born. They watch others being born and "assume" that they entered the world in a similar way. But no man or woman has a "memory" of the supposed event.

Just like the movie "Total Recall", this could very well be a virtual world, with implanted memories, and artificial histories, and nobody really "knows" anything for sure.

It's all belief and opinion.

The only thing we "know" is that men and women have "different" body parts that fit together, and produce a result 9 months later on occasion. So, looking at that design plan, we can form an idea than heterosexuals are behaving "naturally".

Everything else, takes a leap of bull to accept.

Originally posted by GreatOwl

Originally posted by Annee

Homosexuals know they were born. They are their own proof. They are proof.

Sadly, people can be made to believe absolutely anything.

Obviously - - from reading your posts.

Nobody knows they were born.

Children as young as 3 - - recognize they don't fit gender stereotype. They know they are different - - they don't necessarily know why.

Its how they were born.

Originally posted by Annee

Children as young as 3 - - recognize they don't fit gender stereotype. They know they are different - - they don't necessarily know why.

Its how they were born.

They don't know. We tell them who they are. We dress the girls up in pink, and the boys in blue. We program them from very young to be socially female or socially male. So they learn all the cues from us, the adults. But more and more parents are neglecting their roles as parents, being too busy earning a living, and more and more leave their kids to others to look after, and various outside influences affect the children of today. They watch TV, they get ideas and impulses from many unhealthy sources, and they "pick" a role that they fancy, not knowing how the idea entered their head, whether subliminally or directly by suggestion of some deviant adult.

We don't generally accept the testimony of children on the stand in court, because they make things up, and can be influenced easily by "suggestion".

Friends and neighbors can "suggest" to a boy child that he would make a good "girl" and that alone could influence the kid to "pick" a role that someone suggested. It's like hypnosis. Some are more susceptible to suggestion than others. And the suggestions come from many directions. The parents do not know where their kids get all their ideas from, and are often shocked to hear their own children use some swear word, etc.., because parents are not around all the time. They are too busy today, to be there influencing their own kids 24/7. In the old days, there was at least one parent at home looking after the young. So, few strayed into unnatural territory.

Originally posted by GreatOwl

Originally posted by Annee

Children as young as 3 - - recognize they don't fit gender stereotype. They know they are different - - they don't necessarily know why.

Its how they were born.

They don't know. We tell them who they are. We dress the girls up in pink, and the boys in blue. We program them from very young to be socially female or socially male. So they learn all the cues from us, the adults. But more and more parents are neglecting their roles as parents, being too busy earning a living, and more and more leave their kids to others to look after, and various outside influences affect the children of today. They watch TV, they get ideas and impulses from many unhealthy sources, and they "pick" a role that they fancy, not knowing how the idea entered their head, whether subliminally or directly by suggestion of some deviant adult.

We don't generally accept the testimony of children on the stand in court, because they make things up, and can be influenced easily by "suggestion".

Friends and neighbors can "suggest" to a boy child that he would make a good "girl" and that alone could influence the kid to "pick" a role that someone suggested. It's like hypnosis. Some are more susceptible to suggestion than others. And the suggestions come from many directions. The parents do not know where their kids get all their ideas from, and are often shocked to hear their own children use some swear word, etc.., because parents are not around all the time. They are too busy today, to be there influencing their own kids 24/7. In the old days, there was at least one parent at home looking after the young. So, few strayed into unnatural territory.

Sorry, but this post is BS. What about all the homosexuals who were born in the "old days", back when there was no TV, and mom stayed home? Back when boys were boys, and girls were girls -- there were still homosexuals. I know gays who were born in the fifties, with very traditional families and lots of siblings, and they knew from the time they were very little that they were just .... different. They weren't treated any differently, the difference was inside them all along.

Originally posted by GreatOwl

Originally posted by Annee

Children as young as 3 - - recognize they don't fit gender stereotype. They know they are different - - they don't necessarily know why.

Its how they were born.

They don't know. We tell them who they are.

You are wrong.

There is no other way to say it.

Can same sex couples produce babies within a family line...nope.
see the rewards come from having children and helping them live a life of maturity and understanding.
All i hear from same sex choicers is whining and crying. Their psychology is one of rebellion and selfishness.
Their disease rate is higher, their break up rate is higher. Just think of the potential divorce rate among same sex marriages, you think it's bad among hetero-couples? BTW in my youth I was not a heterosexual, but life has taught me lessons. So don't think im not speaking from experience.

Originally posted by truthermantwo
Can same sex couples produce babies within a family line...nope.
see the rewards come from having children and helping them live a life of maturity and understanding.
All i hear from same sex choicers is whining and crying. Their psychology is one of rebellion and selfishness.
Their disease rate is higher, their break up rate is higher. Just think of the potential divorce rate among same sex marriages, you think it's bad among hetero-couples? BTW in my youth I was not a heterosexual, but life has taught me lessons. So don't think im not speaking from experience.

Can barren heterosexual couples produce babies within a family line? Nope, so what?

Many homosexual couples raise children in a loving home and help them live a life of maturity and understanding.

All I hear from haters of gays is whining and crying that marriage is being taken away from them -- the haters are selfish, and not willing to share the term "marriage".

Hollywood's celebrity break-up rate is higher than anyone else's in the world. And yet, they can still get a marriage license whenever they want -- as many times as they want. You know why that's ok? Because it's nobody else's business.

In your youth, you were probably just experimenting. It happens with a lot of heterosexual youths. Experimenting doesn't make you a homosexual.

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia

Explain exactly why you think it is a part of the Federal Government's Jurisdiction to apply laws (Such as the tax code) differently to various people, based solely on their relationship status

That is a different subject discussion.

EQUAL is same as what exists right now.