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Let's Revoke The Rights and Protections Awarded to Heterosexual Married Couples

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posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by blamethegreys

Originally posted by Annee

I suppose homosexuals are in some way responsible for the 52% divorce rate amongst Christians.

Why do you even bring "family being torn apart" into an Equal marriage discussion?



Cite source for that number por favor.


It may be 52% of heterosexual marriages, but I doubt it's the right number for Christian marriages. Assuming that by christian you mean people who practice christianity.

If you mean 'married in a christian venue' then maybe 52% isn't off.


I am not going to divide Christians into categories. I'm not going to argue - - to be a "true" Christian you have to live the life - - read the bible - - - yada yada yada.

If you registered as Christian - - got married as Christian - - you have a Christian marriage. Period.




posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by westcoast
Perhaps because some of the few last tendrils of the family unit that this country rose up from is precariously close to being torn apart.


I suppose homosexuals are in some way responsible for the 52% divorce rate amongst Christians.

Why do you even bring "family being torn apart" into an Equal marriage discussion?



The only reason I bring it up, is because that is what the original OP was about...to somehow punish the traditional, heterosexual marriages by taking away all of our 'benefits'. How does that help anyone? I see it as very damaging to an already tenuous economic situation.

I do not believe homosexuals are in anyway responsible for the divorce rate. I really don't blame them for anything. It would seem, though, that there is quiet a bit of prejudice against anyone not jumping on the current bandwagon...hence my point.



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
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We don't live in the Future.

We live now. EQUAL applies to what we have NOW.

Not eliminating Legal Marriage - - - which I doubt you'd ever get Right Wing Christians to agree with. The ones that NOW - currently are doing everything they can do deny this government right to a minority group.


Were you responding to.... me?

What was your point here?


Also, did you really just say the phrase "Government Right"?

seriously?
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Nice catch there ERt



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by westcoast

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by westcoast
Perhaps because some of the few last tendrils of the family unit that this country rose up from is precariously close to being torn apart.


I suppose homosexuals are in some way responsible for the 52% divorce rate amongst Christians.

Why do you even bring "family being torn apart" into an Equal marriage discussion?



The only reason I bring it up, is because that is what the original OP was about...to somehow punish the traditional, heterosexual marriages by taking away all of our 'benefits'. How does that help anyone? I see it as very damaging to an already tenuous economic situation..


Thanks for answering a question - - as a question.

And not reading a bunch of crap into it.



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Page 13...

We are so close to consensus...

Total agreement will surely come by page 40.

This is precisely why I hate this issue.

Carry on (I am not going to act like I'm still in High School).

Yes I am.....CAT FIGHT...



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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The crux of the matter is WHY are people begging the gov't to rule their every breath.


Dude... we are dealing with people who are *DEMANDING* it....

(second line)



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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Dear Annee,

About the divorce per centage. I had heard that it was calculated by dividing the number of divorces in a year, by the number of weddings. If that's true, then saying X% of all marriages end in divorce would be an error.

As an example, say there are 1000 married couples and 10 more get married each year. If there are 5 divorces, that wouldn't mean 50% of marriages end in divorce.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Are all FAR more important topics than gay marriage. Don't try and argue they aren't.


You are not gay.

You have Equality.


Really? We don't have WET Tv, or time devoted to being straight-or a parade/s. How often do I hear gay folks saying that gay is just a lifestyle or a sexual preference? I hear it so much that it's become OLD. So what if your gay, it's a sexual preference and sexual preferences are not deserving of anything, least of all have the rights to change the laws based on a persons sexual preference/lifestyle.

I don't go around telling everyone I'm straight.. because guess what? It doesn't matter & nobody cares. The world isn't going to change because people make choices in opposition to others ..

Same as saying 'it's not fair', no...nothing is fair.
The truth is, it's different. If it were not different, those who are gay would have no reason to even voice the fact that they are gay. Wanting things the same and yet separate yourselves in so many other ways. Why can't you simply call it a union, why try to change the definition of marriage between a man and a woman?

I have no issue with gay folk, but I do take umbrage with the gay community expecting everyone to change their views just for them.

I'm not a member of the Kiwanis club, or the Womens club, therefore I don't belong at their functions and am not privy to the benefits that they are within those clubs. I'm not even equal to them within their circle/s.



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by Annee
 



We don't live in the Future.

We live now. EQUAL applies to what we have NOW.

Not eliminating Legal Marriage - - - which I doubt you'd ever get Right Wing Christians to agree with. The ones that NOW - currently are doing everything they can do deny this government right to a minority group.


Were you responding to.... me?

What was your point here?


Also, did you really just say the phrase "Government Right"?

seriously?



Nice catch there ERt


What catch? I'm not the one who is government paranoid.

Legal marriage is a government contract - - - thus "government right" for heteros to choose or not choose.

Gays do not have this choice.



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

I am not going to divide Christians into categories. I'm not going to argue - - to be a "true" Christian you have to live the life - - read the bible - - - yada yada yada.

If you registered as Christian - - got married as Christian - - you have a Christian marriage. Period.


Well you gotta admit that stating that the "christian" divorce rate is 52% is a little misleading, right? Obviously your definition is too broad to provide any validity to the results. In reality probably 95+% of all heterosexual marriages register as christian, due to familial and social influence. I'd venture a guess that the active practicing christian percentage is far less (especially in the average marriage age brackets).

But this is just nit-picking. I want to hear some response to my book on page 12. I think I have a very valid argument, but no one seems willing to take a swing...



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by RobinB022

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Are all FAR more important topics than gay marriage. Don't try and argue they aren't.


You are not gay.

You have Equality.


Really? We don't have WET Tv, or time devoted to being straight-or a parade/s. How often do I hear gay folks saying that gay is just a lifestyle or a sexual preference? I hear it so much that it's become OLD. So what if your gay, it's a sexual preference and sexual preferences are not deserving of anything, least of all have the rights to change the laws based on a persons sexual preference/lifestyle.


Someone else can respond to you.

Because I'm tired and board with the same old ignorant crap.



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by blamethegreys

Originally posted by Annee

I am not going to divide Christians into categories. I'm not going to argue - - to be a "true" Christian you have to live the life - - read the bible - - - yada yada yada.

If you registered as Christian - - got married as Christian - - you have a Christian marriage. Period.


Well you gotta admit that stating that the "christian" divorce rate is 52% is a little misleading, right?


Misleading? No it is not misleading.


Obviously your definition is too broad to provide any validity to the results.


BS. Its just not acceptable to you.

It is not about "detailing" on a scale - - - how devoted a person is to living which ever of the 3100 Christians sects there are in America.

You're not gonna see Atheists - Mormons - Muslims - - etc getting married in a Christian church.



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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Well, that is very mature. "This situation is unfair. My people can't get married so by god, I will make sure no one can get married! Who cares what the oppressors think! If I can't have it neither can anyone else". Laughable.

I don't understand why gay folk are so hell bent on acquiring marriage rights. If I was in that situation I would create a new institution that would provide me with the goals I was seeking complete with the rights of a heterosexual marriage. Why do you want any part in marriage in itself? Why do you want to be part of the same institution that you believe oppresses you? It's sad, really. Use your head, get creative, and conjure up an institution that your people can have 100% to themselves. Is this faction of people more concerned with being accepted? Sheesh, why do gay folk even care if people accept them? I'm not gay but I am also not the type of person society accepts. You know what....that is their problem...not mine. I don't allow ignorant fools to stress me out.

There are many strategies that could be used to acquire what you want. It will require sacrifice both individually and collectively. Like I said earlier, get creative. Create your own form of marriage. Suffer through the jail time and legal harassment--like not paying the taxes the feds impose on you--you will get attention and greater exposure to your plight.

Instead of creative struggle for what you believe you are entitled....I see the gay marriage advocates attack the issue head on and without concern for the points of view of others. That is a sure way to ensure change happens extremely slow---if at all.



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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*Then let us Begin*


What catch? I'm not the one who is government paranoid.


Big Brother Government is your friend, and should be given the right to adjudicate your relationship, the visitation policies of hospitals, the coverage considerations of insurance companies, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...

Government is an abstraction of the coordinated effort of a large group of people, funded by YOUR tax dollars that is not always directly accountable to the people they GOVERN.

You want to give more RIGHTS over your FREEDOMS to this fictitious abstraction / Giant Pile of Money.

Why do you trust Government Implicitly when you know for a FACT that Humans Comprise it?



And you want to give more power to this thing?



Legal marriage is a government contract - - - thus "government right" for heteros to choose or not choose.


Why can they choose it in the first place?

What is the point of it? it's a Government Contract... what does this give the GOVERNMENT the RIGHT to DO to YOU?


Gays do not have this choice.


Neither do single people...



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Hello drive by poster # I can't keep track,

Why have you made the assumption that I am gay? Did you read beyond the title of the thread? If you had you would have noted that I am a heterosexual woman. How did you so grossly misinterpret my OP to mean that I am calling for an end to all Marriage?



"This situation is unfair. My people can't get married so by god, I will make sure no one can get married! Who cares what the oppressors think! If I can't have it neither can anyone else". Laughable.


My people are human, aren't yours? Again I am not stating that no one should be able to get married, I am stating that if Religion is going to hold the institution hostage and claim it is theirs alone than the Government has no business enacting laws upon it.

This does not mean that the institution should vanish or that I even think it should. It simply means that, okay have it, keep it, it's yours but either grant the same rights, protections and benefits to 'same sex unions' or grant none to either. Why do the religious need a Government to validate their marriage anyway since in their opinion it is God's Domain?



I don't understand why gay folk are so hell bent on acquiring marriage rights.


They have. Same Sex Unions/Domestic Partnerships/Civil Unions... none of these offer the same rights as Marriage does so again, both should have such or neither should have any.



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posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Tell me if I'm even close...

You are a bigot and homophobic?

Just Saying....Dude, unclench your butt cheeks.

This is ATS....Where we try to be civil and tolerant of others.
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posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Marriage has nothing to with religion, or "GOD". To few other people, if getting merried is for financial benefits and what not, then u should be ashamed of your selfs, giving up to the system with such will, sad really.



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