Canada closes embassy in Iran, expels Iranian diplomats

reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy

No worries, I was unaware the article was updated until you brought up the extra content.

Using excuses to pursuit other objectives is a very tricky and dangerous thing to do in diplomacy.

No doubt about it but doesn't mean it does not happen either. I'm sure hiding facts and/or just not talking about them is a common occurrence and understandable in certain circumstances. Even though the article quotes him as saying...

"Unequivocally, we have no information about a military strike on Iran," he added.

...I didn't hear him say those words in the video. Take from that what you will.

I do believe that Iran attempts to 'nurture' expats just as Hamid Mohammadi suggested and I do believe it works the other way as well. Just like you suggested, same coin, different side. Even though wrong on both sides, if true the government runs the risk of being a hypocrite.

You are right that this has nothing to do with Israel which is why I brought up the point about Netanyahu 'piping' in. And thanks for the formatting tips, as you can see I already put them into practice.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Couldn't have said it better. I don't get it either. I knew things would go downhill with a Conservative majority especially with Harper at the wheel. For the record, I had no part in allowing them into office

I'm still a proud Canadian but don't know how well I'd handle another conservative government like this one!

Canadian news just started reporting on this a couple hours ago. IMO, the west is doing the exact opposite of what they say they want which is a 'diplomatic resolution'... soo, to get that diplomatic resolution we close our embassies and cut off economic ties. That makes sense right? (rhetorical question there).. anyways, our (the Canadian government) is following in the path of the war mongering U.S. -sigh-... I see another war as the end result.

reply to post by Fishlover02


Exactly, they say they want to end this crisis diplomatically but then they expel all Iranian ambassadors...

reply to post by fenceSitter

No doubt about it but doesn't mean it does not happen either. I'm sure hiding facts and/or just not talking about them is a common occurrence and understandable in certain circumstances.

Yes, it's true.

Although I do not share the common belief that it's impossible to get information, and that disinformation is too spread, I'm also aware of the dubious - yet efficient - ways governments portray their objectives and goals.

Both the Japanese and German representatives painted a very different picture in diplomacy just prior to executing their real plans, just to give a valid example from the past.

I do believe that Iran attempts to 'nurture' expats just as Hamid Mohammadi suggested and I do believe it works the other way as well. Just like you suggested, same coin, different side. Even though wrong on both sides, if true the government runs the risk of being a hypocrite.

I think that Iran often uses the image they have of victim of the Western policy to mask other activities.

That's not the same as saying they are the worst, or even the one's who most proliferate in those attitudes, but I've noticed a clear pattern of victimization when action occurs, and silence when their wrong doings are detected.

One of the reasons - I believe - for Iran to have gained such tremendous support in past years, is the fact they simply select which foreign affairs they address, and which they don't. I've seen the Iranian regime address the terrorism issues very rarely.

But I see them - almost on a daily basis - criticizing the West for policies that are taken out of context.

Since everyone in those issues (nuclear proliferation, weapons deals, terrorism funds) seems to want really hard to shout their side the loudest, we end up with very unclear debates and strong points to base arguments.

As a reasonable person, I can't say Iran is the boogeyman that they are often painted, but I can't also say they are the saints they claim they are. And for that, both sides of the globe are to blame.

Events like the one mentioned in this thread don't help either.

I might be taking the side of "nothing to see here", but to be honest, I can't say with certainty that Canada isn't preparing for something bigger. Which goes back to our exchange of arguments that Canada might know - or not - something.

For all we know, from the information available, Canada might be doing this because it doesn't raise that much attention. But I would like to add some pieces of information relating diplomatic relations and Iran:

UK ambassador to Iran expelled

November 28, 2011

'Only the beginning' as UK ambassador expelled by Iran over sanctions

Amid chants of "death to England", Iran's parliament voted by a large majority yesterday to expel the British ambassador just weeks after Dominick Chilcott took up his post.

A stage-managed protest against "evil" London's sanctions over Iran's nuclear programme is due today outside Britain's fortresslike embassy in central Tehran, the scene of sometimes violent anti-western demonstrations.

One parliamentarian warned that Iranians could storm the compound as they did the US embassy in 1979.

Iran diplomats to leave UK

December 2nd, 2011

Diplomats working at the Iranian embassy in London must leave Britain by Friday afternoon.

Foreign Secretary William Hague ordered their expulsion within 48 hours on Wednesday afternoon after the British embassy in Tehran was stormed. They are expected to fly out this afternoon.

About 120,000 people in the UK hail from Iran, as well as many students.

The Iranian Association's Kaveh Kalantari said most UK-based Iranians "do not like what is going on in Iran".

He said they were "worried".

The diplomats are expected to leave the UK on a charter flight out of London later this afternoon, according to BBC Persian TV.

I will, however, state that the timing for the Canadian decision is interesting. I would have assumed they would make this decision along with the UK, last year.

And thanks for the formatting tips, as you can see I already put them into practice.

You're welcome! I also like when other members give me advices.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


So who do you intend to replace him with?

The NDP, the Liberials?


To me, that Canada closes it's embassy in Iran means war is very close......and who didn't think this was coming anyway? The economy is crap in Canada (exception of the oil sands), the global economy is sinking, gas/food prices are hitting us all hard - need some thing to take out minds off how our standard of living is going down the toilet (and will get worse as things degrade)

Good riddance, get rid of the misogynistic, terrorist supporting scum.

And seriously? So much anger against Harper and the Conservatives when they have done a much better (if un-charismatic) job than their recent predecessors. Liberals and NDP? Puh-fricking-lease. One is corrupt to the bone and the other socialist bordering on communist. The liberals are actually courting Justin Trudeau as their final hope. Just what we need, the son of the world PM Canada has even known.

Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
God damn Stephen Harper and his globalist scum bag agenda.

War mongering.

That man needs to be removed from the helm of government. He's turning my country into something I hardly recognize anymore.

Sickening.

~Tenth

Couldnt agree more with you

but they dont have Quebec anymore
we choose Pauline Marois to go away from Harper regime

Wow... Just Wow...

I'm 100% right wing, I believe in family fundamentals, I believe in the right to train and bare arms...

But your absolutely IDIOTIC comment I cannot take.

Name me 1 single Canadian Party that cares MORE about Canada than the Conservatives. Not the Liberals... Not the NDP, and DEFINITELY not the Bloc...

You are ill informed my friend, you watch too much Socialist TV, you believe everything tidbit of garbage they feed you...

You are #ing pathetic.

I'm a Québecois, and I'm damn proud of my Anti-NWO Governement and my Country.

If war is inevitable in Iran... WHY would we keep our citizens there? Sacrifice them? According to your mentality we should... but you're a #ing idiot.

Kudos to the Harper government. As a born and raised Canadian, I am proud of my country's response to the terrorist theocratic regime in Iran today.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
God damn Stephen Harper and his globalist scum bag agenda.

War mongering.

That man needs to be removed from the helm of government. He's turning my country into something I hardly recognize anymore.

Sickening.

~Tenth

How's about you begin reading, and forget your views on old fashion government ideals.

Canada is possibly the best country to live in at the moment, BECAUSE of the Torries. He's Anti-NWO... He's not the big bad man you're led to believe.

The parties you need to fear are the Liberals (The Obama's), The NDP (Mini Obama's), and the Bloc (Separatists).

The Torries may not be perfect, but Harper is a HELL of a lot better than any other, whom would put THEIR Globalist agenda's forward. If you think otherwise, you need to do your research.

**** Globalists enslave us through socialism, they make us dependent on the government, both of which are values the Liberals, and NDP hold to the front and center of their campaign... whereas the Torries want to cut more and more social benefits, get stricter on welfare and honestly, they aren't very Socialist.

Get your damn head in the game man... stop being a #ing moron.

Well, I can see how Harper could be seen as a globalist. He does support NAFTA and purely my opinion, he would support a North American Union.

But is he by far a lot better then Trudeau (dear god, if he became PM....his father did enough to this country) and the NDP.....they would bankrupt this country, Greece would look good if they get their hands on the PM.

This move by Canada, to close the embassy in that country, undoubtedly means war with Iran.

The government is doing the prudent thing in the situation. They don't want Canadian diplomats being held hostage in the Canadian Embassy when the Israeli air force "drops in".

This is very bad news for Iran and for the world in my opinion and I am no fan of the Iranian regime or of theocratic governments like those of Iran, Israel or the United States, myself.

The Americans must have done a deal with the Russians and perhaps with the Chinese.

If we get out of this without a war, we will be lucky.

reply to post by mindpurge

Take is easy! Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you are being quite rude about it. You're giving Conservatives a bad name.

This is obviously to cater to and lend legitimacy to Israel with geo-political implications in mind.
I don't think we even really had a say in the matter, nor did our government. Money talks.

Canada, just another country under U.S./Israeli control. Lets be clear, this isn't a decision by Canada, this is a decisiom made by the U.S. on behalf of Israel and enfoeced upon Canada. Probably the first of many in the run up to invasion. Then again Canada has it's own sect of warmongering Zionist appologists so the decision isn't all that surprising.

Originally posted by quackers
Then again Canada has it's own sect of warmongering Zionist appologists so the decision isn't all that surprising.

And if this thread is any indication, we certainly have our fair share of Iranian appologists, jew haters and socialists, too!

I am surprised that this isn't getting more attention, to me, this is a HUGE dot. The chances of war with Iran has exponentially risen in my estimation.

Originally posted by palg1

Originally posted by fenceSitter

Originally posted by palg1
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"Actions speak louder than words right? " What actions have Iran taken in the last 10 years to better the negotiations. I think the world has been pretty patient so far and it's about time someone stands up and acts. I've had enough of the UN and everyone else blowing more hot air onto negotiations that have literally led nowhere.

What actions should Iran have to make? The west makes demands, Iran refuses, so what? Who are we to make demands of them? Iran demands Israel declare their nuclear capabilities and they refuse. Does that mean Iran should take out their facilities? You my friend appear to have been fed too much West=Good, Iran=Bad propaganda for too long.

It's not just the west making these demands it's the United Nations looking for reasurance in order to keep the world a safe place. Btw, I get fed the same crap everyone else does and maybe a bit more. I do not take sides until I have enough info to make an educated opinion. So lay off your assumptions about my ability to sort crap from fact.

Do you even realize how many UN Resolutions other Nations are in violation of without penalty??

Personally, I think both American and Israeli policy vis a vis Iran is wrong.

I also believe that Israel is a legitimate state that has a right to exist and I accept that they have a very strong case for possessing nuclear weapons themselves. There is no other country in the world that has such a strong case for possessing those weapons.

I think it is unfair to label people who do not agree with Israeli policies as anti-Jewish. I think people go too far when they equate dissent with Israeli policy with anti-semitism. Effectively it is another way of saying that one is not allowed in humane and polite circles to disagree with the Israeli right wing.

This is an absurd position.

reply to post by nightbringr


Well whats your opinion on why we have gone this route, is there concrete evidence that Iran is building a bomb, or just here say, Is there without misconstruing the phrase proof that Amawingnut said that specifically they want to wipe Isreal off the map. Is there evidence that there nuclear power is for anything other than, civilian power, isotopes, and fuel for the nuclear market. Has Iran attacked anyone lately that would make them the boogie man.

Not that I have researched but then again maybe you have some sort of beyond civilian clearence that makes you privy to such info. But as of yet all we have is once again BiBi blowing off steam, inciting rhetoric to try and push the hands of the nations around the world to take a stand against evil Iran. We have a man standing and shouting from the hilltops pressumed intentions, of another country, because he feels that his country should be the only country in the ME with the ability to protect itself.

Call people what you will apoligists if thats the word you wanna use, but usually the bad guy is the one who threatens another, repeatedly, over and over. Not the one that sits back and pursues it's rights to cheap and efficient power. If you can find concrete evidence that Iran is some sort of threat to anyone but themselves I would love to see it.

And before you go off about habouring terrorism since thats the only leg most have to stand on we must first look to our neighbors to the south and the little sliver of land in the ME thats been known too harbour the exact same thing for decades now, to keep instability the token word for that area of the world. But then again I guess whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

See if Iran came out said were building a bomb and were gonna destroy your country as soon as we had one then yes a threat, but when they call for regime change in Isreal, never once using force as an option but just calling for it unlike our nations that force it under the guise of humanitarian aid, and use the terrorists (al-cia-da, FSA, NTC) were harbouring to achieve it then damn rights you can call me an apologist all you want.

I prefer the word realist and not a bloody puppet to the media but call me what you will, gimme proof or gimme another plate full of lies to facilitate such action but gimme something not just the rhetoric from a man whos own people don't stand behind him

SaneThinking