Muslim group, Ansar al-Sunna, demand breakaway Islamic nation in Norway or another 9/11 threatened

Originally posted by ArtooDetoo
Muslims who read the Quran are peadophiles and terrorists

Not at all, however Muhammad did have sex with a 9 year old (according to the Hadith) and did authorize assassins to murder his critics (according to the first biography on Muhammad written by a devout Muslim).

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Muhammad had sex with his wife Aisha when she was 9 and he was 56.

• Muhammad authorized the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him.

One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest.

Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq

Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old and had people assassinated who criticized him. In what sense is Islam a religion of peace?

"Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old"

That says it all to me, how can one base a religion on a man that could do this to another human being???

IMHO Muslim religion and hence Muslim nations are at this point in history the most intolerant religious sect on Earth. Just about every other religion seems to get by these days without the annihilation of the rest. Not so with Muslims they require total destruction of all other religions its one of there basic tenets.

I should know my partner is of Muslim decent and her family, if you can call them that hate us(Least she gets Xmas presents now + £££ for Ramadan, im skint!). Some would even try to hurt us if they could(No joke it has been tried), but my sword is bigger than theres, metaphorically.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by ArtooDetoo
Muslims who read the Quran are peadophiles and terrorists

Not at all, however Muhammad did have sex with a 9 year old (according to the Hadith) and did authorize assassins to murder his critics (according to the first biography on Muhammad written by a devout Muslim).

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Muhammad had sex with his wife Aisha when she was 9 and he was 56.

The times were different when Mo was around. Child marriage was common in every culture, like for an example in the Jewish culture:

In Jewish Ashkenazi communities in the Middle Ages, girls were married off very young.[1] Despite the young threshold for marriage a large age gap between the spouses was opposed.[2][3] Child marriage was possible in Judaism due to the very low marriageable age for females. A ketannah (literally meaning little [one]) was any girl between the age of 3 years and that of 12 years plus one day;
en.wikipedia.org...

So the Jews did it also, and it happend in Europe aswell, same timeline as Mo was around.
And what is exactly your point and how is it relevant to the current topic ? You are like a fckin parrot. Repeating yourself in every post. Get a grip man, stop trolling.

I may be a newbie here, but really, enough with the history lessons. History is good to learn from, but dwelling on it won't solve any problems. Islam is a violent religion. People get that. The only way to combat that in 2012.....well, we all know what needs to be done. Forget political correctness. This is reality. People need to do what's right, and what's right is to segregate those people and keep them segregated. Otherwise, you're going to get this sort of thing year in and year out without fail. Those people are incapable of change. That's why they're relatively the same after thousands of years. Think about it.

Know what happens to the schoolyard bully when he gets caught? He gets put in a "time out." Muslims need a permanent time out along with every other country that wants to impose it's will on other people. I don't care what country it is.

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Welcome DeepImpactX! Have a great time on ATS!

reply to post by ollncasino



Why people in internet choose to be stupid?


Misconception: The Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile

While it is true that he married a girl that was at the age of nineteen (Not 9) that does not constitute pedophilia. Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times, and is still used today to determine the age of marriage in many parts of the world. This was part of the norm and is not something that Islam invented. The girl he got married to had reached puberty 3 years before marriage. It is upon reaching the age of puberty that a person, man or woman, becomes legally responsible for their actions under Islamic law. At this point, they are allowed to make their own decisions and are held accountable for their actions. It should also be mentioned that in Islam, it is unlawful to force someone to marry someone that they do not want to marry. There is no indication that the society at that time criticized this marriage due to the girl’s young age. On the contrary, the marriage was encouraged by the girl’s family and was welcomed by the community at large.

www.discoveringislam.org...

reply to post by mekhanics


What about not letting your women folk out in public alone(I know its ok now, i hope). Did not Muhammad (peace be upon him) punch his "favorite wife" for the simple transgression of going out in public by herself?

reply to post by andy06shake


Why, Thank You.

I wasn't expecting that.

I agree with CX. I also believe that people like this have no place in a non-Muslim country. If you're not happy with the country you live in, move to a more suitable country rather than trying to force your beliefs on people who really want nothing to do with such things.

reply to post by revmoofoo


I agree with you, but isn't the United States doing the same thing by occupying Muslim countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and forcing them to accept a democratic form of government?

To which the people of Norway responded with aaaaaa AAAaaaaaaAAAAA!

reply to post by InfaRedMan


Easily fixed..

Once they have citzenship and show their true colors like this out in public. Identify them, revoke their citizenship and deport them..!! Don't matter if they have been there 1 year or 20 years before joining this kind of protest, once they do, send em' home!! Send em' home, send their kids home (regardless of place of birth), send their entire families back to the middle east or somewhere else.

They have made their declairation and it is a hostile one, so they can be rounded up now if the government wants to do so. Terror threats are a serious matter!!

Originally posted by grey580
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The reply from norway should be.

This is my house...and if you don't like, you can get the flock out! ... Eddie Murphy

I'd be seriously done with this sort of thing. I'd ban the burka.
No more sharia law.
Time to cut it out.
Norway was nice enough to open it's doors to immigrants.
If they want to live in a muslim country they should move to a muslim country.

If the west would get out of the houses of the east, then the east would get out of the houses of the west.

But, they love to be near to each other, invasion and immigration, the two migrant forces that mingle the different groups on the planet earth.

Don't invade unless you want those people to immigrate back to your lands.

After the US invaded Iraq, a flood of Iraqis immigrated to the US, their own homes destroyed, they sought a better life in a land of less turmoil.

Expect a flood of Afghans coming to Norway soon, to add to the Muslim population in Norway.

It's all love.

War is peace.

Peace is war.

Invasion is immigration.

Immigration is invasion.

The world continues to turn, the wheel of darma rotates once more, and again and again.

Karma.

That's all it is.

reply to post by InfaRedMan


These fine chaps don't actually speak for any kind of majority.. or minority.. likely a small group of confused teens or early 20 somethings. With the potential for a PTS agent or two. Likely an issue of criminality and nothing more.

reply to post by GreatOwl

If the west would get out of the houses of the east, then the east would get out of the houses of the west.

This.

Looks like its another of those "the muslims are coming" type of threads.

Interesting how some people complain about muslims moving to their countries...... and at the same time, are ok with bombing and invading Muslim countries.

And that muslim group calling for a "breakaway Islamic nation" in Norway is NOT the voice of every single muslim immigrant. (Who are they anyway? I've never heard of them.)

reply to post by mekhanics


This thread is becoming a who attacked who first...
Really sad...

The OP was about a bunch of extremist idiots who want an idiotic law (which would make Medieval Inquisition look like a hippie band) to govern the country where they are residing.

By turning into who attacked who first, it feels that some people are trying to back these idiots.

I personally propose 3 solutions to that:
1. everybody walks naked in the streets, especially around these idiots' home.
2. These idiots should be put into jail for call to violence, or sent back to their country if they are not Norwegians.
3. When someone is taking a country's nationality, this someone should know a minimum of history, values about his new country, and SWEAR ALLEGIANCE to these values.

I believe 3. is pretty well enforced in USA & Canada, but we Europeans are still struggling to even start thinking about proposing it.
About 1., I repeat myself (see previous post), but I really love it, it is a peaceful solution. Similar to when someone gets mad at you in the street (e.g. on the road, he/she does not look your manoeuvre), simply look at this person, smile and tell him/her "don't get mad, I love you" and keep cool, that's the best way to destabilise them.
If we respond to these idiots with violence, then they will claim to be martyrs and some more people may defend them.
Respond to them with love and they loose. Plus I wouldn't mind walking around with all the girls naked, or more realistically, in cute bikinis

reply to post by rwfresh


Agree with you, these are just a few idiots.

But the question/challenge is here, it has to be dealt with now!

Similar to France, where some people are challenging the system regarding the veil, and even more worrying, the niqab/burka/whatever you call, I'll name it the batman suit.

There are not many batman suits around, but 10 years ago there were none, and if France did not react, in 10 years there may well have been many times more, until a moment where they become a fact and the society is oblige dto accept them, which is a NO GO.
So better deal with the idiots early, to reaffirm your values, also to deter any further challenges.

Originally posted by andy06shake
"Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old"

That says it all to me, how can one base a religion on a man that could do this to another human being???

IMHO Muslim religion and hence Muslim nations are at this point in history the most intolerant religious sect on Earth. Just about every other religion seems to get by these days without the annihilation of the rest. Not so with Muslims they require total destruction of all other religions its one of there basic tenets.

I should know my partner is of Muslim decent and her family, if you can call them that hate us(Least she gets Xmas presents now + £££ for Ramadan, im skint!). Some would even try to hurt us if they could(No joke it has been tried), but my sword is bigger than theres, metaphorically.

edit on 7-9-2012 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)

If what you say is true, then you are living proof that they're questioning their faith. Atleast they didn't outright kill you. Messed up bro

What I also find very worrying is that the official Muslim representatives (of Norway in this case) do not seem to react.
Same with the extremists idiots in other countries (UK idiots who claim Sharia districts, French idiot who kills his sister (opens her throat with a rusty knife) in the name of islam, etc.), the islam authorities/respresentatives of these countries do not react, do not condemn these acts.

This non-reaction is going against muslims, because if they were clearly taking distances from these idiots, they could not be attacked for their religion, they could say these are idiot extremists FROM THE BEGINNING, no tlater as they are doing now, and then playing the history card.

I believe muslim authorities/representatives are not playing the good political card... that is, unless these idiots serve their agenda? Which I do not want to believe.

Hmmm... I may even well start a thread on that one.

Originally posted by KarmaComa

What I also find very worrying is that the official Muslim representatives (of Norway in this case) do not seem to react.
Same with the extremists idiots in other countries (UK idiots who claim Sharia districts, French idiot who kills his sister (opens her throat with a rusty knife) in the name of islam, etc.), the islam authorities/respresentatives of these countries do not react, do not condemn these acts.

This non-reaction is going against muslims, because if they were clearly taking distances from these idiots, they could not be attacked for their religion, they could say these are idiot extremists FROM THE BEGINNING, no tlater as they are doing now, and then playing the history card.

I believe muslim authorities/representatives are not playing the good political card... that is, unless these idiots serve their agenda? Which I do not want to believe.

Hmmm... I may even well start a thread on that one.

I would like to see that thread - its a point I have made before about if these extreme elements were shunned from society then all of us would see that it is ONLY extremism - not what the majority are silently thinking but not saying.
Will be hard to avoid it being detailed by talk of battles from centuries gone by, so good luck with it :-)

When is the western world going to wake up, all of us combined will have more weaponary, more knowledge of warfare and guella tactics than any wanabe muslim. Our armies are better than any cell group they may have. So whats the problem, eye for an eye. They blow up our buildings we blow up theres. problem solved. I find the western world is just too damn soft and we need to harden up if we're going to win this war, and yes, we are at war with these radical muslims