Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Originally posted by SaturnFX
I defend facts.
I also understand, and have said, I am not a good source for giving opinion because I am jaded. I have given the only reasonable answer which is that
debates will make or break.
No, you simply spew the talking points of the left in the same way Rush Limbaugh does with the right. I've been on here a long while, and have never
once seen you actually have your opinion swayed, even when you're dead wrong. You continually dismiss sources because they give commentary, stats,
etc. that you don't agree with.
My opinion is based on hard facts and observation of actual issues. When many gray area subjects come up, I then make a principle stance.
Should facts change, my opinion reflects that. Rarely to facts change though, and with the many gray subjects where there is both good and bad, that
is where principled stances come into play, and altering someones principles is pretty difficult.
Healthcare for instance. the argument for it is millions of people covered whom would otherwise not be covered. insurance caps for profit off serves,
the counter is it erodes a tiny bit of freedom to demand people whom can afford health care get a plan...
this is principle. the good of the many over the good of the few sort of thing, so cater to the needs of the millions whom are trying to live, or
cater to the one guy whom wants to stubbornly refuse insurance even though he can afford it.
to me, society requires rules, this rule works well enough (not even remotely perfect, and far off of what I personally would want, but its a step in
the right direction).
Why would I change my principled stance of the benefit of many over the few. I don't fall into the overly emotional arguments of freedom and such as
I know we don't have freedom in America...haven't since the early 1800s. we have liberties..I defend and promote liberties of people..freedom is
anarchy, freedom is warlord wastelands. politicians pay lip service for freedom to people whom don't understand it but cheer for the word.
At least you're honest. It's really a pity, because even though you haven't shown the ability to bend even slightly on your opinion, you seem to
at least be able to carry on a conversation. It's really a pity, because I would have expected someone of your apparent intellect to be able to do
Again, my opinions are derived from simple facts, statistics, logic, and principles in gray areas (such as abortion). You think its a pity that I
don't bend? why would I? Do I suddenly not respect science? do I suddenly value emotions over logic in outlook of the world?
I bend, hell, I will reverse when hard facts with no gray area comes out showing differences.
Fact: Democrats for the past 50 years have created almost double the jobs when in office than republican counterparts. I am all about the jobs,
therefore economically I see value in having a dem in office. This is not a feelings issue, its a mathmatics issue.
I look over graphs put out by congressional budget committees, department of treasury, etc...it is clear to me that the less damage and more progress
comes when the left is in charge, and compromising with the right to create balance. Gimme Clinton in office and Gingrich in house..this works well
Changing one's mind over time, isn't a bad thing, and admitting when one is wrong,
Thing is, I have
In my teens/early 20s, I was economically a conservative. Socially everyone is more or less liberal..well not everyone, but most sane people.
(probably why Ron Paul is relevant..he is the only social liberal out there).
So ya. I understand altering views over time when facts come clear...and they have..hense why I am liberal.
And incidently pink guns is not a liberal stance. no guns is also -not- a liberal stance (liberal keyword meaning liberty). Sane gun ownership is.
If everyone has a gun, that means all the nuts have a gun also. goldfish in a blender psychology test. just because you won't hit the button doesn't
mean the person behind you won't. (will explain that reference more if you don't undersand it).