Hackers Claim to Have Obtained Romney's Tax Returns

reply to post by Flow101


Yea, that one is the same type of person that thought Bush jr. was a rocket scientist or something. It's just unbelievable.

reply to post by nightstalker78


Where you going? Canada? And take advantage of their universal heath care? France? Oh, I am so sorry ... Socialist ... if you even know what that means. South Africa? - A libral Democracy? Keep trying huh?

Originally posted by travisirius
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

I heard something funny last night about Romney stating he doesn't have to produce his birth certificate because everyone knows where he was born!
No one wants to see your birth certificate, Mitt, unless it's stapled to your TAX RETURNS!!!!!

You know, I'd be more than happy and 100% supportive of a Constitutional Amendment to outline those documents required by people seeking High national office. A Birth cert, Selective Service records, and records of Higher Education in general with Tax records for xx agreed # of years. All of the above and without exception to the party of a candidate. Lets see that set as absolute rock solid requirement for ANYONE seeking the Presidency, Congress or Senate.

Of course, that common sense approach will last as long as something as basic as a Photo to show who you are at a voting booth, I'm sure... Lets have the same set of rules applied to everyone, equally and across the board. BTW... Mitt isn't under *ANY* requirement to produce returns of a historical nature. That changes for current returns when he wins.

Originally posted by takaris7
reply to post by IsThisThingBugged

 

Why do you think half of americans pay no tax? Half of americans don't work or own a house? Over half of americans let the Government borrow their money at least ... at least 260 or more of my pay check bi-weekly goes to taxes. Do you work? Then you pay some form of tax.

Are you talking about tax refunds?

If you have money withheld from your paycheck but then get all of it back at tax refund time, you PAY NO INCOME TAX. Some people even get back MORE than was withheld, through the Earned Income Tax Credit.

So it doesn't matter how much comes out of your check. It matters how much the government KEEPS.

I do not know how it is in your family but next time you have a secret santa or gift exchange deal decide that the amount you will spend on gifts is a percentage of your monthly net income.

where my father and I are okay with this my brother, sister mother and girlfriend(now wife) had a problem with it.... because they all make significantly less than my father and I do.

now apply that to rich middle class and poor and you have the same thing.

IT is technically fair to use a flatpercentage but the impact of that percentage affect people differently.. which makes it not fair.

The scales are too skewed for a flat rate to work with the rich middleclass and poor

Originally posted by nightstalker78

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Thanks for saying what I was thinking !! Though I wouldn't say HALF of all Americans don't pay taxes. Legal,working ADULT Americans do pay taxes. Hell,even teenagers who work pay taxes.Other then that point I 100 % agree with you. Too many people here are quick to condemn the rich.Since when is anyone elses tax return YOUR business,ATS? Politician or not...you have no right to view anyones return. I'm willing to be most of you wouldn't make yours public now would you. No? Yeah I didn't think so.

True but we are also not running for president. HUGE difference.
I think the point some people are trying to make is if Romney is lying
about how much he has paid in taxes then what else would he lie about?
If he will go to the length he has to hide his tax records then
what else could he possibly be hiding?
So I think you may be missing the bigger picture.
Personally I think this is small taters compared to everything else Romney is about.
So in a way I agree with you.
There's things about Romney that is MUCH worse that the American
people should be focusing on.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
No one is worse than Obama.

What about the dangerous brain-washed cult members that are now infiltrating the Republican party and rotting it from within? The ones that would rather see this country destroyed than agree to anything that might be helpful to the economy.

reply to post by IsThisThingBugged


It's only the rich that can afford to pay taxes like that; ever tried paying 14% when you have, Rent - 900, Food - 400, Gas - 350, Car - 450, Utilities, etc on a check that makes you about 2-3 grand a month...It's really not feasible....

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Being among those who "pay no taxes", I feel I need to tell you that I DO pay taxes when I buy the gas I need to use the same roads that Mr. Romney uses. I don't drive a couple of cadillacs like his wife but I still buy gas which has the "road tax" included in the price.

I may not make enough income to pay a few million in income taxes but I do have enough sence to know "they don't take it all" and I don't think I could spend whatever was left over anyway. I also DO pay a "sales tax" on those things I can afford to buy. I know this is not paid to the federal govenment but it is taxes just the same.

I know it is entirely my own fault that I am not as wealthy as either Romney or Obama, but I will stack my personal riches up aginst their's any day. I am prode of my family, my friends, and my modest contributions to my country.

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint


Thats pretty much what i was going to say also. Not everyone who is in that 50% who pay no taxes are poor, theres a good bit of top earners who pay no taxes also.


as far as making everyone pay taxes,how much is that going to cost the government?
people who are now just above the poverty line and not eligible for government hand outs will be taxed into poverty by falling below that thin line and become eligible for foodstamps,medicare, and all kinds of government handouts. They will actually better off than they were before they had to pay taxes,and how much are those new handouts going to cost the government?

Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I find it odd that the general accepted number is 2 for the years before election, They then show every return while in office. Obama released everything he had for the decade, and good for him. Releasing at the stage he did, he was unique as I can find. Clinton released a bunch, but much of his releasing didn't come until around 1996 and the re-election according to records.

Leaving that entirely aside for a moment though....This is the 3rd time I have heard Anonymous claim to have done this. Of course, Anonymous is everyone and no one. So this could be a world class hacker or a 13yr old wanna be on Mommy and Daddy's computer. The downsides of Anonymous.

Either way though, if they or ANYONE gets access sufficient to get Romney's tax returns and ONLY gets Romney's tax return...I'll call them the worst kind of political hack and troll I've ever heard of. Ever. Bar none.

To waste a once in a lifetime (They'd NEVER allow it a second time) shot at the gold that IRS records would represent on a political stunt would be totally unforgivable. The Cables Scandal would pale next to someone, some day, getting a true dump of IRS records.

That wouldn't be a leak.......Noah built himself a little boat the last time something flowed with that much importance.

I think one point is that when the government gave amnesty a few years back for people who had hide money abroad paid a special rate to re-patriot their untaxed hidden money... I Romney hide taxable income overseas (a felony) and they paid a special tax using a particular IRS form ... we should know if he lied about his taxes and then was given amnesty to bring his money home....

Speculation but even if he did that it wasn't illegal. Want to speculate some more?? Ok, Obama needs to release his collage records. He could have applied for and received a grant or government aid claiming that he was indonesian (illegal). We need to see his records to prove that he did not. Sort of a good for the goose/gander thing.

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

The roads are paid for by the tax at the pump, and part of it also by the vehicle registration fees etc, the schools are paid for by local property taxes, Truckers pay the most for the roads, 18 wheelers alone pay up to 90 billion a year on road tax, most of that goes to interstates, and highways since most non highway roads are restricted to trucks. (we don't pay taxes at the pump)

Federal income tax pretty much just goes to pay the interest on the money the Federal Reserve loaned US

reply to post by GeorgiaGirl


Well Said. That info is usually kept out of post where someone tries to claim that the Rich pay more taxes.

Yes, the extremely Rich claim more taxes but they also have more deductions. The middle class usually end up with less deductions since they can't afford to pay the tax attorneys who wrote the laws in order to take advantage of the loop holes.

The other factor that is never brought up is income to tax ratio. They only talk about the cumulative tax amount that the extremely rich pay and they don't even account for the deductions.

So when they say that all the billionaires (1%) paid more taxes they only take into account what they should be paying and not what they actually paid.

Also if Bill Gates lived in my neighborhood of-course he would pay more taxes then everyone else combined. He is worth billions where the neighborhood combined is only worth millions, if that. Lets assume he paid 1 million dollars in taxes where the neighborhood combined paid 100K . Ofcourse he paid more, but if you look at the income to tax ratio you would see that the neighborhood is paying more relative to their income than Bill Gates did. Hence the middle class feel the pinch at a higher rate. The taxes should be based on income to tax ratio and not cumulative and they should be equal across the board without any deductions.



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reply to post by Majestic Lumen

Just a thought, nothing against truckers by my saying that they didn't pay a cent of the road taxes. The consumer is the one that pays those taxes. The consumer is the only one that ultimately pays for every tax. Tax the rich? Think that the rich just get buy with a little less? NO, it all ends up being paid for by the majority of us in the workforce. We can't tax our way out of this problem, only way to turn things around is to spend less and spend smarter.

reply to post by interupt42


Forgive me for reposting a portion of a post from page 2, but it seems appropriate to your comments:

The CBO released data in 2009 (I haven't seen anything newer) that shows, considering all Federal taxes, the following effective tax rates (the percent of income paid in taxes):

The lowest 20% of income earners pay 4.3%.
The next 20% pay 10.1%.
The middle 20% pay 14.2% of their income in Federal taxes.
The next 20% pay17.5%
And the 20% with the highest income pay 25.8% of their income in taxes.

reply to post by IsThisThingBugged


I hear that. But also if someone who makes $20,000,000 were to pay a whopping 50% tax rate...well, that would be $10,000,000 rather than 2.5 into the treasury and that millionaire would still have $10,000,000 and could still have every yacht, house, car, etc. he desired and then some.

Basically, 50% for a mulit-millionaire is nothing compared to 50% of someone who only makes 20,000.

A gallon of milk or gas costs the same whether your rich or poor.

reply to post by whywhynot


Truckers are consumers as well, and, if those road taxes are not paid, we can not use the road. Before a person can operate his own truck it can cost thousands of dollars just to get the truck legal, and that's fees every year, we make far less than people think, and we pay more, the prices at truck stops are ridiculous lol.

Either way more on topic, I thought taxes were only "legal" if they are properly apportioned or something to that effect. If Mit's taxes in question are the Federal income tax ones then it's a non issue for me, whether someone paid 1% or 100% Federal Income Taxes are a sham.

Reply to post by jimmyfromreality

2 million in taxpayer money to hide records?

You believe that lie? Still?


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Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

this is REPORTED U.S. income... this isn't neccessarly what he made in total
and as the "fair share" arguement goes...here's an example

person A, made 5 million dollars
person B, made 50 thousand dollars
they both paid 10% in taxes
person A, paid 500 thousand dollars in taxes
person B, paid 5 thousand dollars in taxes
total taxes paid for both 505 thousand dollars
person A, paid approx. 99% of total taxes
person B, paid approx. 1% of total taxes


so obviously...the much higher income person would pay a massive percentage of TOTAL TAXES...but still pay the same percentage on income.

Originally posted by Alxandro
One down, one to go.
Maybe they should start looking for Obama's college transcripts.

why?? how would this possibly apply to his ability to function as president...it's rediculous, and you know it