World's richest woman calls for Australian workers to be paid $2 a day to compete with Africans

reply to post by SaturnFX


I don't want any false internet worlds, we're already in a dream lab, a dream within a dream, and the goal is the other way, to work out of the layers to the real world somewhere and that place is abundance.

The only way to work up is to create as much of that absolute profound abundance and goodness, here and now and never compromise for any reason, anything else.

And that world is not 1000 years in the future.

We already have the technology.

1000 years in the future, if the true tech came out, we'd be colonizing the solar system and probably long before that, and it would be a different level of reality.

I have a hard time stating or defining my dream because its only here that it applies, and its very limited, to very concrete, what I would call a level 1 civilization. Just a step from here and Good, Equal version.

It would still feel like walking in quicksand with heavy boots, not Home and Still not be what I hope for my next step, which would be leaping over quite a few levels and getting back to lightness and mutlitask and pure positive work/family/learning.

In fact its only applicable at this level of existence in our world now. For soul progression and higher levels are the goal an they aren't like this.

What I just described is the solutions for HERE AND NOW. And we have the tech already.

Venus Project Solutions.

Originally posted by 12voltz
Well then ,import hundreds of thousands of African workers to go down and work in the pits for 2 dollars a day
And at the end of the week they will be able to buy 1.5 happy meals..
This mouth was not made for talking.

edit on 5-9-2012 by 12voltz because: (no reason given)

her mouth looks like it hasn't missed a meal, though...what? she can't afford to hire a trainer and a dietitian???
why would anybody even listen, or follow along, with what she has to say...

Well, IMHO, if an Australian wants to work for $2 a day, let them! The government should let the free market work.
But on the flip side, the government shouldn't force Australian companies to lower their wages...

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I don't want any false internet worlds, we're already in a dream lab, a dream within a dream, and the goal is the other way, to work out of the layers to the real world somewhere and that place is abundance.

The only way to work up is to create as much of that absolute profound abundance and goodness, here and now and never compromise for any reason, anything else.

And that world is not 1000 years in the future.

We already have the technology.

1000 years in the future, if the true tech came out, we'd be colonizing the solar system and probably long before that, and it would be a different level of reality.

So you don't want what I want. thats fine. lets agree to disagree here..but my vision for my future self is mine and yours is yours.
What we both can agree on is that the current slave labor trade system is broken, which is also coincidently reality.
how do we stop that, that doesn't involve secret hidden tech that may or may not be out there, and that could realistically happen in a few years?
My view..trade laws...stop trading with these nations full stop. That will adjust and raise us up to the next level and next dilemma.

Speaking too far down the line immediately puts you into a hippy dreamer catagory to be dismissed, but if you speak only of a step or two ahead, then you progress...aka, your a progressive...and people can understand, digest, and conform to a step by step process.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by 12voltz
Well then ,import hundreds of thousands of African workers to go down and work in the pits for 2 dollars a day
And at the end of the week they will be able to buy 1.5 happy meals..
This mouth was not made for talking.

edit on 5-9-2012 by 12voltz because: (no reason given)

her mouth looks like it hasn't missed a meal, though...what? she can't afford to hire a trainer and a dietitian???
why would anybody even listen, or follow along, with what she has to say...

Erm that's easy. Because she's rich she must be an expert on how to make money and thus we need to listen to her (and others like her) on how to improve the economy for all.

Then again some us know that is selfish right wing nonsense that the world is finally waking up to.

If she could convince Austrailians to work for 2 bucks prices would not go down she would just have more money. If Africans choose to work for free thats their issue. I will find another way to live and it sure won't be like Africans who are over worked and under paid. They are starving in some places and cows like this rich witch keep them that way. DESPERATE.

Luckily not too many Africans find their way into Australian mines. However in manufacturing, 2 Dollars a day or up there is already a reality. Its good for you, if you invested in Apple or any of the myriad of companies that profit from cheap cheap labour. edit on 6-9-2012 by Merinda because: (no reason given) Yeah if you ALREADY have millions or billions TO INVEST! Go back to sleep dummy.

My point still stands. It isnt just the Millionairs who own stock and get excited about rising stock prices. And people are too happy to buy cheap, where the savings are passed on to the consumer to a significant degree.

No, plug the loop holes so its not profitable to do business by exploiting third world and work for a truly better world.

exploiting the 3rd world...i think you'll find there own governments have been doing that for years ..its simple business ..we all do it..we look for the best offer

china exploited its work force in the mid 70's early 80's ...at one time you couldn't pick something up that wasn't made from there ....now its Africa ...this is the down side of capitalism ...when a free market exists on a global level it gets exploited ... its a double edge sword .. ..you cant have it both ways ..if you levied all countries to pay above a certain level then it would be called NW0 and all that bs ..companies would still go bust anyways due to demand not been high enough to profit every company ... people will still lose jobs .. poverty will still exist ...you'll always have winners and losers in business that's how its designed ..the developed countries mostly the west are waking up to the fact that they can no longer compete through ex ports as we are just way to expensive ...why buy a bigmac for $5 when you can by it for $2 some where else..


a lot of it has to do with high interest bank loans and goverment trade policy rather than greedy business people

Because we already have the solutions to all of this and could aready be living in a free, equal non corrupted and non elite version of this:


Paradise or Oblivion (The Venus Project)

And all it took was seeing the world and having the majority stand up and refuse anything else period. So this is really, at least in all semi free nations, so this is really giving us a hands on peak at the state of our soul's, I'd say.
(granted there is alot of programming from cradle to grave but some of us saw early on, from the first Napalm attack on babies on the news as children.)

So because we already have the solutions to all the problems and could already be living this level of eutopia here, with our level of advanced tech, that is here on the surface and hidden, I'd say that all the deaths in the world via starvation, genocide, torture, war, disease, weather wars, nuclear, and Theocracies, punishment, jails too, are all MURDER and we all share a part if we're not seeing through this or somehow some are off the hook by some very niave pink unicorns and fantasy versions of the reality around us, some really are that blinded. Maybe those few are off the hook.

We need to work for a better world.

She is offering a conservative approach of bringing in minimum wage (lower I bet if they could get their way) labor.

Can you imagine busnesses taking people here and forcing them to work for the average they would get there?

As the whole world goes to hell.

I think the ONLY way that there can be equality in manufacturing costs is 1. Countries must ensure that their imports do not out overtake their export business. 2. Countries like the US, Canada, Austrailia and similar must band together to import from each other to avoid these 3rd world country slave labor tactics. Beyond that I think the balance will not be kept and eventually the system fails.

Originally posted by sitchin

No, plug the loop holes so its not profitable to do business by exploiting third world and work for a truly better world.

exploiting the 3rd world...i think you'll find there own governments have been doing that for years ..its simple business ..we all do it..we look for the best offer

china exploited its work force in the mid 70's early 80's ...at one time you couldn't pick something up that wasn't made from there ....now its Africa ...this is the down side of capitalism ...when a free market exists on a global level it gets exploited ... its a double edge sword .. ..you cant have it both ways ..if you levied all countries to pay above a certain level then it would be called NW0 and all that bs ..companies would still go bust anyways due to demand not been high enough to profit every company ... people will still lose jobs .. poverty will still exist ...you'll always have winners and losers in business that's how its designed ..the developed countries mostly the west are waking up to the fact that they can no longer compete through ex ports as we are just way to expensive ...why buy a bigmac for $5 when you can by it for $2 some where else..


a lot of it has to do with high interest bank loans and goverment trade policy rather than greedy business people

edit on 06/-05004/2011 by sitchin because: (no reason given)

No we all do not do it - Exploit the Third World

To say it's simple business does not make it right
Like when the Mafia assassinate someone they say the same thing "It's just business" as if it is nothing personal
That is the Mind Set of a psychopath

reply to post by ollncasino


I watched the youtube video (www.youtube.com...) & did not arrive at the same conclusion as you. Namely, that Gina Reinhart is calling for Australian workers to take on a $2 dollar wage rate per day.

Yeah, she's definitely implying that existing Australian wage rates are excessive; however, I understood her argument to correspond with competing global markets. What's more, she indicated that foreign investors are hesitating to invest in Australia. Why? She explains that it is too expensive to do business in Australia.

Anyway, I have no opinion about what I think the best course for Australians would be. It's an Australian matter & I'm content enough to leave it at that. However, I don't think the OP claim stands. As mentioned previously she is implying that Australian workers' wage rates are too high, but the context links that claim in a global market sense. Furthermore, Miss Reinhart nowhere claims that a necessary condition for Australians to compete successfully in the global minerals market requires that Australian workers take the same wage rate that African workers are prepared to accept. Rather, she is expressing that Australian wage rates represent one factor among other factors whose cumulative affect lend to a negative outcome in terms of competitiveness in a global market. (From a purely hypothetical basis we might assume from the onset that she's lying; that her true intent is to bilk her fellow Australians for the sole purpose of enriching herself further. If we assume this is true then we ought to ask ourselves why she'd even bother to go to this much trouble when she could simply buy up mineral rights in Africa & outcompete the Australian minerals market. Viewed from this standpoint her comments come across as much more genuine than some on ATS seem inclined to even consider.)

Among other things she expressed desire to create sustainable jobs in Australia and was, in my opinion, nationalistic in scope. Additionally, she made consistent references to this report: www3.weforum.org... Provided the data she points out in this report is reliable (and I've not read all 545 pages) then, at least from my perspective, I have a better sense about the concerns she addressed. And I think it should also be pointed out that the African/Australian wage rate disparity was not her central theme. In all of the 9 minutes and 55 seconds that the presentation lasted specific reference to African wage rate and Australian wage rate lasted no more than, roughly, 8 seconds (~ 8:45 to 8:52).

Originally posted by peck420

Originally posted by Raelsatu
I don't have any respect for parasites that openly mock the very same people that made their wealth accretion possible in the first place. She's graceless, obnoxious, a societal & cultural leech; mentally and physically repulsive. Whether or not she can multiply an inherited fortune means nothing to me; again if you read my post you'd realize what points I've been making. We already tolerate the exploitation of environmental conditions & resources by the elite; so there's no room for pigs like her who have the gall to [publicly] disparage those struggling, and those actually working hard.

She played the current game and she played it well. You can hate her for it, or you can study how she did it and learn from it.

I prefer to study and learn.

Complete side, but parasites are vital to every living thing, including economies.

Only in unevolved worthless societies with smallminded people running the show. Either we evolve or we die out. Learn from evolution. Sometimes a population of animals gets to many and start to die out because they destroy their habitat. Your simple power pyramid schemes cannot work forever since they will collapse under their own weight because of their shortsighteness.

reply to post by artistpoet


so you have never looked for a better price when shopping around for a new tv laptop,that dream holiday abroad

yes we all do it...business is no different ..as a consumer you will always want the best price you can get...

if you are to expensive no one will buy your product if they can buy the same thing cheaper some where else

thats how the world is, and nothing will change t as long as money exists or capitalism remains

Originally posted by sitchin
reply to post by artistpoet

 

so you have never looked for a better price when shopping around for a new tv laptop,that dream holiday abroad

yes we all do it...business is no different ..as a consumer you will always want the best price you can get...

if you are to expensive no one will buy your product if they can buy the same thing cheaper some where else

thats how the world is, and nothing will change t as long as money exists or capitalism remains

Of course your point is correct regarding the shopping habits of many and relating it to how Capitalism works
But No I personally am very particular what I buy in that respect
Also I like as few possessions as possible - just necessary things to do what I do.
I guess I am an exception in that respect

However you make a very good point

reply to post by ollncasino

So if everyone made 2 dollars a day...... where would she sell her product? She just put herself out of business. Unless shes implying that Austrailia should become a third world country so she can get richer selling her product to other countrys were their employees make a decent wage.

Either way.. She should keep her mouth shut. unless she comes up with something that helps everyone, Not just her.

This would not even be discussion worthy if she was an American, since this is exactly how 99.99 percent of the wealthy people think in the USA.

The only difference is that the richest Americans want workers to only make about 10 cents an hour.

the Prime Minister is way better looking....
geez - guess money doesn't buy everything.

why doesn't she ******** off to Africa where they work for 2 dollars a day if it troubles her so much.

not only would Australians be unable to buy products/food/shelter these rich companies throw at us, they would be unable to pay taxes at the current rate and thus the rich or better off would need to pay more.

she doesn't sound like the kind of rich person who has thought it though so i would guess not very intelligent either.
I fail to understand why she thinks only paying 2 dollars a day would make her better off, because that is the only reason she would want this, to make herself better off.

did she not think off all the things Australians would be unable to pay for? and therefore how much extra she might have to pay as a rich person to cover the loss in taxes.

Originally posted by Red Cloak
This would not even be discussion worthy if she was an American, since this is exactly how 99.99 percent of the wealthy people think in the USA.

The only difference is that the richest Americans want workers to only make about 10 cents an hour.

edit on 6-9-2012 by Red Cloak because: (no reason given)

False. Sources? Stop talking.