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posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by PhoenixOD
I dont understand why ATS is shutting Down or removing all the posts about this from the Breaking Alternative News forum.

There was plenty of posts about the shootings at the Batman opening in Breaking Alternative News and that was just a kid going crazy. This story has the makings of some real cloak and dagger stuff going on.



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stil there?



posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
I dont understand why ATS is shutting Down or removing all the posts about this from the Breaking Alternative News forum.

There was plenty of posts about the shootings at the Batman opening in Breaking Alternative News and that was just a kid going crazy. This story has the makings of some real cloak and dagger stuff going on.



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stil there?


what do you mean?



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:10 AM
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That piece about intelligence survielance may be a red herring ...i imagine a lot of iraqis got that treatment during the gulf crime 1 and 2.....
Still and all, the thing is exciting in concept if not for the fact that real life people have died and worse ,two girls are now parentless.:....Needless to say.,The spy thriller side of this intrigues me....
Ill be back for the lowdown later......



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 01:01 AM
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The family was shot and killed because they saw a deal occurring in the forest between aliens and government. Navy seals probably took these eyewitnesses out before they could tell their stories.

Drug deal unlikely...UFO deal more likely...especially because this is ATS and everything involves governments and aliens



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 01:31 AM
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Here are the last news I heard here & there from the French news:
. all people in the car were killed by bullets, at least on bullet shot in the head (that shouts planned professional assassination to me)
. the driver was an Iraki man, under surveillance by the British Services (MI5 I believe).
. the 4 year-old girl survived and in now talking
. the dead bicycle guy was a French man working for Areva (company dealing with nuclear fuel & nuclear plants design)
. the muder scene was discovered by a guy on his bike, an RAF retiree

Don't know if there's any link there, but it sure smells VERY fishy.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 02:18 AM
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This was not a British Intelligence or SAS or I doubt any nation's government/military backed hit, at least no Western backed government, the execution was sloppy, the girl found outside was battered and shot three times but still survived. When military or intelligence guys hit you, there are no survivors and no witnesses and no evidence, most of the hits go without media attention, the only exceptions I have known in my time that got people talking in the media about whether it was or was not an MI5 hit, was a few IRA targets and Dr Kelly, most other hits never even get to the MSM.

Knowing a bit more now, I'd say this most definately wasn't a drug hit or a botched robbery or anything else of that nature, but I don't think anyone can believe that it was a random attack. There is definately a specific reason why this guy has been murdered and he was definately the target, his family just happened to be there, in my opinion. If there is a political reason behind his death, it will never be solved and the killer(s) will be out of the country within a couple of hours of carrying out the murders. My opinion still stands that he was planning to meet someone at that location, I don't think it was all of a sudden decided to carry out the hit at that location once he got there. The cyclist just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. However, I can't get out of my mind the sloppyness of it all, if it was a professional hit, the killers were semi professional at best.

Whatever the reason, two little girls have lost their mother, father and grandmother. We must never lose sight of that and cannot imagine what trauma this will cause those poor girls for the rest of their lives. The victims of any murder, are those loved ones left behind.
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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 02:36 AM
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Jack Saltman, whose house backs on to the family home in Claygate, said Mr al-Hilli had said something to him before he went on holiday that he would be informing the police about.

Speaking to Sam Walker on the Richard Bacon Show on Radio 5 Live, he said: "I know one little thing which I am not prepared to speak (about) at the moment. I will tell the police about it. "It was something Saad said to me before he went but at this stage I do not feel I can disclose that but I will tell the police exactly what he told me before he left."


Dear Jack Saltman... RUN AWAY!!!!! O_O'
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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by PhoenixOD
I dont understand why ATS is shutting Down or removing all the posts about this from the Breaking Alternative News forum.

There was plenty of posts about the shootings at the Batman opening in Breaking Alternative News and that was just a kid going crazy. This story has the makings of some real cloak and dagger stuff going on.


Does anyone know how ATS handles/responds to D-Notices?


A DA-Notice or Defence Advisory Notice (called a Defence Notice or D-Notice until 1993) is an official request to news editors not to publish or broadcast items on specified subjects for reasons of national security. The system is still in use in the United Kingdom.


One interesting but macabre point, with at least 15 shots fired and "Three of the four victims found at the murder scene had been finished off with shots to the centre of the forehead – the hallmark of a professional assassin."

If someone put 12 shots into 3 people in a car they wouldn't have a clear shot at the centre of everyone's forehead at the end of it even with seatbelts on. They must have reached in to pull them upright.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 03:10 AM
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I don't believe that this was a professional hit, I really don't, if it was the guy(s) who carried out weren't professional. I've worked on numerous incidents involving hits, I've worked with all sorts and believe me if you're a professional you don't do something so sloppy as to beat up a little girl shoot her three times and she still survives or not find the little girl who was under the bodies of her mum and Grandmother. It doesn't make sense.

Whoever the killers were they knew the victims, I'm sure of it, or at least the dad, they knew that they were going to be at the remote spot, which makes me think that perhaps a meeting was arranged. Could this be over money perhaps? Business dealings?

Just to clarify, involved in hits is to do with the investigation side as oppossed to that I myself have been involved directly in hits...thought I best add that!
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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by Cryptonomicon
More than likely, just a drug deal gone bad. Nothing to see here folks...


I hate posts like these..."Nothing to see here folks...move along".

Did you expect us all to abort the thread due to your knee jerk reaction that was based on nothing but your over active imagination?

Now that investigators are making some progress, your "slam dunk" diagnosis of the situation may not be so right after all.

A British family murdered during a holiday in France may have been the victims of a contract killing triggered by a family feud, investigators believe.



Police sources in France said that the “professional” nature of the murders, with three of the victims shot in the centre of the forehead, pointed to a contract killing, with a “family drama” one of the possible motives.

Before he set off on holiday, Iraqi-born Mr Hilli, an engineer, had confided to neighbours in Claygate, Surrey, that something was troubling him.

Jack Saltman, 67, said he had contacted the police to tell them about Mr Hilli’s fears.

He said: “He did say something to me which gave me cause to worry a little bit. Before he left he came round and saw me and asked if I would keep an eye on his house.

“It may be totally irrelevant if this was to be a terrible murderous killing.

“But I have told the police and if it is relevant they will have it and if it is not relevant then no one will ever know.”

Mr Saltman refused to elaborate further, but said Mr Hilli’s fears were “definitely not political”.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


Police probing family dispute in Alps killing



French police are investigating whether a money feud between brothers may have been at the heart of a shooting that killed three members of a British-Iraqi family in the French Alps, prosecutors said Friday.

"It seems that there was a dispute between the two brothers about money. This seems to be credible information coming from the British police," prosecutor Eric Maillaud told AFP.

uk.news.yahoo.com...


Nothing to see here folks, move along now...


I hate being a jerk but your attempt to kill the thread with that cliche line you used grinds my gears.
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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by KarmaComa
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Here are the last news I heard here & there from the French news:
. all people in the car were killed by bullets, at least on bullet shot in the head (that shouts planned professional assassination to me)
. the driver was an Iraki man, under surveillance by the British Services (MI5 I believe).
. the 4 year-old girl survived and in now talking
. the dead bicycle guy was a French man working for Areva (company dealing with nuclear fuel & nuclear plants design)
. the muder scene was discovered by a guy on his bike, an RAF retiree

Don't know if there's any link there, but it sure smells VERY fishy.


That part in bold...do you have a link for this info as the info I saw last was that he worked for a metal firm called Cezus,

Cezus

"CEZUS is a world leader in refractory metal manufacturing for the most demanding industries such as aerospace, nuclear and chemical processing."

slightly different from "nuclear fuel and nuclear plant design"

"The French cyclist found dead near the BMW is named as Sylvain Mollier, a father-of-three in his 40s, who worked for metal firm Cezus and lived in Ugine. "
...from....
Timeline



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 03:43 AM
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Yeah see this seems much more like it, a family feud for money and even still if they hired "professionals" then they must've paid them tuppence, very shoddy. I reckon the hired professionals were probably just a couple of guys they knew who may have had military training years ago but zero experience in assassination. It's all up in the air at present, but so far this strikes better with me than any other theory or opinion.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 05:48 AM
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It might not have been the cleanest but it has all the trademarks of a professional killing, more details emerging makes it look even more so.

The car was found with engine running, doors still locked and it had reversed into a dirt bank, in a small parking area off the road. There were tyre prints that looked like there was a car chase. It looked like it got where it was under duress. The shots went through the windows and none missed.

www.dailymail.co.uk... E-times.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3F


Was there more than one hitman? Each of British victims was shot TWICE and cyclist witness FIVE times, police reveal - as search continues for killers' white 4x4




Mr Al-Hilli, 50, was initially shot once in the forehead as he sat at the wheel of the BMW estate car he had used to drive his family to a caravan holiday to Lake Annecy, in eastern France.

Then a second ‘coup de grace’ bullet was apparently used to make sure that Mr Al-Hilli, of Clayton, Surrey, was indeed dead. This is the classic modus operandi of gunmen the world over who are contracted to kill people, whether working for criminal gangs, terrorist groups, or security services.

Dead: Saad Al-Hilli, 50, was ambushed with his family on Wednesday during a family outing in the French Alps Mr Al-Hilli, his wife Ikbal, and her elderly mother were shot twice through the car’s windows, with not a single bullet wasted.

Mr Mollier, a 45-year-old father of three who arrived at the scene by bike, is likely to have disturbed the multiple killings, and thus would have made a more difficult target. An investigating source confirmed to French media that all those in the car ‘received two bullets each’, while Mr Mollier ‘was hit five times’.

Witnesses have described hearing around 30 seconds of gunfire at the isolated beauty spot next to woods on the outskirts of Chevaline. This suggests that more than one gunman is likely to have been involved, given the ruthlessness of the killings, and the treatment of other witnesses.




It also emerged today that police officers are hunting for a white 4x4 which was seen leaving the scene by an RAF veteran and keen cyclist who stumbled across the bloodbath near the beauty spot.


www.dailymail.co.uk... e%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authorname


Officers thought to be from Special Branch maintained constant surveillance on the aeronautical engineer and his family in 2003, said neighbour Any operation on the family would almost certainly have been backed up by bugging devices within their detached home Saad Al-Hilli's apparent family links to Saddam Hussein's ruling Ba'ath party in Iraq may be of significance
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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 07:37 AM
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This is News ??? Sorry, I live in New Orleans. Just a normal day here.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 07:52 AM
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I hadn't heard that the dead bicyclist had links to the aerospace industry. It was reported that the Iraqi also worked in aerospace but recently had been associated with a satellite imaging firm.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 08:02 AM
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yes this is news. Its obvious this isnt some low life gangland drug deal.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by celticniall

Originally posted by KarmaComa
reply to post by Sinsear
 


Here are the last news I heard here & there from the French news:
. all people in the car were killed by bullets, at least on bullet shot in the head (that shouts planned professional assassination to me)
. the driver was an Iraki man, under surveillance by the British Services (MI5 I believe).
. the 4 year-old girl survived and in now talking
. the dead bicycle guy was a French man working for Areva (company dealing with nuclear fuel & nuclear plants design)
. the muder scene was discovered by a guy on his bike, an RAF retiree

Don't know if there's any link there, but it sure smells VERY fishy.


That part in bold...do you have a link for this info as the info I saw last was that he worked for a metal firm called Cezus,

Cezus

"CEZUS is a world leader in refractory metal manufacturing for the most demanding industries such as aerospace, nuclear and chemical processing."

slightly different from "nuclear fuel and nuclear plant design"

"The French cyclist found dead near the BMW is named as Sylvain Mollier, a father-of-three in his 40s, who worked for metal firm Cezus and lived in Ugine. "
...from....
Timeline


My bad, it seems the background of this guy went quickly around the net, wioutht details & cross-checking.
So indeed this guy worked for Cezus (sorry link in French):
alpes.france3.fr...

Cezus, which belongs to Areava [I guess this is where the confusion came from] is specialised in zirconium metallurgy:
www.areva.com...

Zirconium is used to sheath the Uranium fuel in nuclear plants.

Seeing it that way, it looks much less Hollywood-like indeed.

French media are reporting that police are considering that this French guy on his bike was there by "chance" (sorry cannot find a better description).

More than the whole conspiracy (if any), my thoughts go to those two girls who are now parentsless and have to keep on with life...

Sorry for the links in French, can't find anything in English about Cezus
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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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Im starting to lean towards the guy on the bike being the real target and the family just happening to be in the wrong place.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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