Who Controls Our Children? /The secret War Against America

Excellent thread, and a VERY important subject for people to understand. I think your insight as a former teacher is VERY valuable information...and I applaud the personal hardships you endured to fight for our kids

I would like to share my personal observations of education in the last 30 years, and my daughters experience in the education system, she is now 21 yrs old. First I will give a brief overview of our family dynamics, we live in CA, middle class, a seemly peaceful environment to grow up in. My Mom owned and was a pioneer of educational toys that encouraged creative and critical thinking and both myself and my daughter grew up with this influence.

I did very well in school, went to a good college, and I liked school overall...but teachers were very different 40 years ago, we had all sorts of vocational classes for kids that were more hands on, and classes geared toward kids that wanted to go on to higher education. We didn't have mounds of homework heaped on us EVERYNIGHT, and the ultimate goal of the teachers was not to program us to pass these ridiculous tests they have now.

Now things start out well in pre-school, I enroll her in a co-op, with a wonderful teacher and basically a school run by the parents, LOL, to my horror at the time, my daughter made it clear she wanted NO part of circle time at first and Miss Diane just calmed me down and told me to let her join in when she was ready, and sure enough she grew to Love circle time on her terms...and I was told by her teacher she was very empathetic with the other children, and she was VERY smart, she could already read and write more then most kids her age, and had good problem solving skills...she was my first and only and I was proud and happy..

Then we start public school, again at first things went well, I volunteered alot, so I had a handle on what was going on, and she seemed pretty happy and well adjusted. When she hit 3rd grade her teacher was a mean woman, she was rude and dismissive of the kids that tried to interact in her lessons, and this was done in front of me while I was in the classroom....I ended going up to her privately and asking her basically "what's up with the hostile attitude" she explains to me that because of this new "star" testing she needed to follow a strict agenda, and she didn't have time for silly questions when her job was at stake if the kids didn't do well, she also was assigning outragous amounts of homework that really hurt the quality of our family life in the evenings, and instead of enjoying learning, she was now starting to feel overwelmed by it.

Fast forward to 6th grade, she is starting middle school, which is way to early I think, it was 7th grade when I grew up, she was 11 years old being put in a school with teenagers. Now they make it quite clear you are no longer welcome in the classrooms as a parent, pleny of fundraising jobs however... She starts to become miserable, she happens to be an extra beautiful kid, and the boys were showing her attention she wasn't ready for, and the girls were picking on her cause "thier" boys liked her...she was being harrassed and trying to cope, and not asking for help...she became sullen and didn't want to go to school...being unaware at the time this became a big battle between her and I.

So in 7th grade I beg, borrow and steal to get her into a private school...this place is a GREAT school, but it is $15,000 a year and it is made very clear they expect alot of volunteer and fundraising work from parents, I was the only Mom there that worked, and the class difference was a challenge for both my daughter and I to overcome. I was told from the start by the principal after interviewing our family and her that once a kid has gone through the public education system it is very difficult at this point to rehabilitate them. LOL, she was always the "rebel", especially about the dress code, but she learned ALOT, and was happy through 8th grade.

Now comes High School, she decides she wants to go back to public school to be with her "neighborhood" friends in her final years of school, now this is where all hell breaks loose.....I have this free thinking, very smart "rebel" and she absolutely was unwilling to conform, many of the teachers hated her, and she had a few outright sadistic teachers that basically humiliated her if she challenged them....by 11th grade she was a contast truant, NO matter what I did she was REFUSING to go to school, battles every morning, rushing to drive her to school and as soon as I drove away she would leave school...I was being threatened with being arrested if I couldn't "control" my kid, so we did home school until she finally got her GED.

Now at age 21 she is finally considering going back to school, lol, a few years working at target has "shown her the light"...she now wants to become a nurse...she's a very caring person, but will give those doctors hell if she sees poor treatment or injustice..

reply to post by MountainLaurel


Very good post.

Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by MountainLaurel

 

Very good post.

Thanks, I know it was long....but I wanted to make this more "personal for people, especially folks who have young children or are wanting children. Even with my background in child development and being very hands on......it got out of control sooo fast.....if I had it all to do again I would have home schooled or started her from the beginning in private schools, which would have been VERY difficult at our income level.

The elites children aren't going to these "drone" schools...and when you see the difference $15,000 a year can make in the difference of schools it is mind blowing really....even down to the fresh healthy foods served to the kids. I knew on a "gut" level something was very wrong, but I had no idea how sinister this all was.

You ask the question "who controls our children?" and the answer is obvious: "the women." How deeply does one need to think to discover that women dominate every child's life? Therefore, the persons totally responsible for raising children in any society is the women and in this regard they have absolute power.

There's been enough books written exposing the psychological reality that every person is formed in the first seven years of life and much (if not all) of what happens thereafter comes from early life conditioning (scripting) by the primary caregiver, usually the mother. And the subject of depth analysis on the couch.

These are hard truths for most politically correct people (especially women) but well-known throughout the ages until social history was rewritten recently; but the facts stand even though overlooked or forgotten. Gee, is it possible to examine sacred cows like motherhood and womanhood?

Truthfully, the hand that rocks the cradle rocks the world. Literally and don't doubt it for a second but notice the results everywhere in the past few generations of children. The proof is in the pudding (the children) and the cooks (their mothers) that made it. What a pathetic performance.

I taught at University level. By the late 80's it became clear that arriving students were being socialized instead of educated as their general ignorance grew more and more pronounced. It was shocking but year by year academic standards (and tests) were lowered to accommodate the new cash cows.

Clearly these kids were the products of programed learning in the lower grades and that their "educators" had only been taught to teach the program and hadn't actually ever truly been educated themselves. They knew no better and their students soon proved it. Degrees all around became even more meaningless except among the Lemmings.

Stuck with the reality of inferior tools the only course at the University level was to go along to get along in face of the reality that the kids couldn't think and they didn't realize how stupid and unprepared they really were. And we graduated them for the money.

This was 25 years ago and those idiots went on to start careers and families of their own. They couldn't possibly have produced children smarter than themselves... and looking around suggests that they did not.

But the full horror of social circumstances didn't become evident until the 90's when males began to appear that sounded and acted like girls. These turned out to be male children raised totally by women, their mothers and woman teachers, with virtually no male influence in their life. They are scripted and thus destined to forever think like women.

If history has proven any social concepts it's that women are unable to raise male children to be men, instead they can only raise little girls. Every society needs both male and female energy, men who are men and women who are women, and in the last 4 generations society has become quite lopsided in this regard.

So before anyone starts rushing to prove a lack of reading comprehension, or the ability to think, I point out the obvious:

Consider some great societies like the Greeks, the Romans, and the British. Each in turn conquered the world and each treated education the same way: women were encouraged in their strengths and especially nurturing of children but the male children were removed at at early age and educated by men.

Ever notice in these societies that boys and girls attend separate schools? Very much as the Elite's do in this country today. Or that the majority of teachers in Private Schools are male? And that pretty much the way it is anywhere that parents expect their children to be truly educated. Just the opposite of Public schools in the USA.

So if anyone wants to look for conspiracy in these matters begin with the signposts herein because the full disaster for America only unfolds with the ability to think. Go figure.

So the real question isn't "what's happened to the kids?" It's "what happened to the women that produced them?" What's happened to the women?

reply to post by Brown Bear


While I agree with much of what you have said, and take full responsibilty for the choices I made as mother good and bad.......I think you need to also consider that it was very powerful and elite men who funded most of the "research" that has been used very effectively to "control" people and destroy traditional families.

David Rockafeller has been quoted as saying basically that "Funding the women's movement was a brilliant accomplishment that served a duel purpose. It doubled the tax base by putting woman in the work force, and gave the "schools" control of thier children early in life.

What women once may have seen at as "choice" to work outside the home, has now become almost impossible for many families to live without, the women need to work. Now did the women fall for this scam "hook, line and sinker", Yes, we did, but I think there is plenty of blame to go around to all of us for letting this happen, I know it took me until my 40's to really understand what diabolical forces are really at play here.

Originally posted by OldSchoolMom
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

I searched the book you linked and the web pages, the quote was not in either. The quote also pulls only one result on google, which is this thread. So did you make it up or what?

Sweetheart... The book I linked everyone to is about 750 pages... You are either an amazing speed reader or a liar. Understand that those who taught you that deception is a handy tool also have used it on you. I am sorry for that, but many of us didn't know this was going on.

I agree with your thread here, but I have to point out that you can run a search within most pdf documents for specific words or phrases. You don't have to be a speed reader. Maybe someone has already pointed that out as I have not read past the first page of this thread as of yet. I also ran a search for the Carnegie quote and did not find any instances of it within the deliberate dumbing down of america pdf book. In fact, the only instances of the word "individualistic" that I found were here:

pg. 42 of the pdf (pg. 18 of the book)

"If property rights are to be diffused in industrial society, natural resources and all
important forms of capital will have to be collectively owned.... This clearly means that, if
democracy is to survive in the United States, it must abandon its individualistic affiliations in
the sphere of economics...."

and pg. 574 of the pdf. (pg. A-62 of the book)

"In regard to a change toward democracy this paradox of democratic leadership is still
more pointed. In an experimental change, for instance, from individualistic freedom (laissez
faire) to democracy, the incoming democratic leader could not tell the group members exactly
what they should do because that would lead to autocracy."

Ok, just read further and it looks like this was already brought up.

reply to post by Lostmymarbles

Just found it, but it seems it wasn't an exact quote but it is something along the lines of what he said or was trying to say. The Carnegie Corporation commissioned a research by the AHA (American Historical Association) which was written in 1934 under the title, "Conclusions and Recomendations for the Social Studies" in which the book was to be used to "to use the schools to change America from a free, individualist economy to a planned, socialist, collectivist economy in the New World Order."

Well Hello and Thank you Lostmymarbles. I didn't have time to go back and go through and find exactly where I got the information and if I indeed made an error. I wanted to but, as a couple people have mentioned, not everything is easily found. Thank you for putting the effort in on helping this young man find closure with the statement. I haven't written papers for awhile so I am rusty with the rules, I will certainly try to be better organized if I choose to create another thread in the future.
Your help is appreciated very much, and thank you for contributing to this topic. Cheers

reply to post by sicksonezer0

When I went to school we were taught there is a bill of rights, but we didn't actually ever read it.

When I was in 7th grade, we had to know the constitution, bill of rights, each branch of government, their purpose, their limits, rules for amendments and so on. Not just to hear of it, We must know it. We had to get 70% or higher to pass. I remember so well because I had decent grades in all my classes and was told that if I didn't meet the requirements of this one test, I will not pass to the 8th grade. I was not interested in government back then, so I had to call their bluff....and didn't study it...flunked 7th grade solely over that test. The next time I took the test I got 100% because, I learned my lesson.

reply to post by OldSchoolMom


i graduated back in 85 and they were doing it even back then. they are indoctrinating instead of educating. i have also noted how schools are intruding into their students' lives at home. ex. kid comes in w/a tatoo. instead of talking to the parents first, the teacher automatically calls dhs. what *really* bothers me is the schools who use "condusct" policies to punish students for events that didn't happen on school grounds or at a school activity. it bothers me even more that they feel they can punish kids for what they say/do on the internet. if the kid is at school and does it on a school computer, that's one thing, but they should not have carte blanche over anything the kids posts. if a student is caught drinking, i don't feel the school should have the right to suspend them. but, to participate in pretty much any after school activities, kids have to sign good conduct papers. i also remember a while ago, a school was caught spying on their students w/the webcams on the kid's computers.
i think alot of parents my age are catching on to what is being done to their kids. i think that's why you are seeing so many people home schooling.

reply to post by Murgatroid


Thanks for turning us onto that video.

reply to post by rickymouse

In your post you state that you were let go from your job in eighty nine. I considered that when I read your post. I see motive but do not feel you are doing this because of sour grapes. I sense you see something wrong and want to make others aware of it. I feel that your concern is real for what is happening to our children. Maybe you had sour grapes back in 90 but that's long ago. There are some parents that are not good parents but there aren't that many. Their abuse of their kids both mentally and physically is creating the fuel needed to take away the rights of most people to bring up their kids with the morals and openmindedness they enjoyed. These good people are afraid of challenging the system because they feel that their perception may be flawed, basically they have conscience and want what is best for the kids. There are also parents that are both working and want to believe that their kids are being taught what is right. The saying "generation gap" does not exist, people are people and their conditioning within society is what determines differences.

Thanks rickymouse,

It was important to me to what was being taught to my children. I knew it was important to continue in the way I was already teaching them (I taught my children from the moment I met them). I wanted the best for my children, it was my job to protect them too. I don't care what poor excuse for a family is used as the system's scapegoat, most parents want what is best for their child. No one has a right to to tear away the values we had taught them already. No one has the children's best interest at heart as much as the parents, that simple.

People's perceptions are flawed because they keep trusting known liars.

Remember all the politicians appealing for legislation and crying,"it's about the children"? They were using one of their typical deceitful methods..... half-truths.... it was about the children, controlling them.
I want parents to have their children back and parents to realize that the system has been predatory; they need to protect their children from it not support it. So there rickymouse, those are my motives.

reply to post by optimus primal

interesting. However, none of that even comes close to answering my question. Let me give you an example: I tell someone "Hey my prestidigitation skills are epic dude!" If it's someone i work with they say " Your what? Is that a word?" This is because most of the people i work with read at an 8th grade level and couldn't vocabulate their way out of a wet paper bag. Does this mean the government, and by extension the schools, are targeting my area for mind infiltration to keep them docile and under control? No, it means most of the people who want to work where I do barely graduated highschool and very few are in or graduated from college.

Ah, it took me a minute to see what I did wrong. I was trying to carry on too many conversations at once I see, my apologies. Someone else was asking why I used the word "brain hiccup".... I answered your question (others asked the same) in another post. The word was bush... I replaced it with ruler.

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by Brown Bear

 

While I agree with much of what you have said, and take full responsibilty for the choices I made as mother good and bad.......I think you need to also consider that it was very powerful and elite men who funded most of the "research" that has been used very effectively to "control" people and destroy traditional families.

David Rockafeller has been quoted as saying basically that "Funding the women's movement was a brilliant accomplishment that served a duel purpose. It doubled the tax base by putting woman in the work force, and gave the "schools" control of thier children early in life.

What women once may have seen at as "choice" to work outside the home, has now become almost impossible for many families to live without, the women need to work. Now did the women fall for this scam "hook, line and sinker", Yes, we did, but I think there is plenty of blame to go around to all of us for letting this happen, I know it took me until my 40's to really understand what diabolical forces are really at play here.

I agree that men running the world have done it but the issue is the mechanics of "what happened to the kids?" and "who was the agent of it?" And I've expressed my opinion and feel there's no circumstance to excuse women sacrificing their natural duty to themselves and to their children.

The issues I described are fact and known and discussed throughout history and (until recently) well known by social planners, and thus, the men who set policy must be, and are, well aware of the consequences that come from ignoring hard won lessons learned over thousands of years.

Therein lies the conspiracy... for destroying 4 generations of a nations youth is not done by accident and any student of history can easily predict the results. Dumbed down is obvious and one thing, but the bigger question is what will become of any country with such a serious imbalance?

Women have made these children into what they are and take no responsibility. Instead society is faced with mothers (women) and teachers (women) pointing the finger of blame at each other for the mess that they have made.... without seeing the simple common denominator.

Very funny to see... one might even say "crazy." Maybe what women need to begin feeling good about themselves again is to start raising their children again, and work to hold their families together, again. In short, play to strengths instead of weaknesses.

Think about the future for a change... and ask yourself: "Are the children you produced and raised going to be able to support you in your old age, especially when they can't even support themselves now? You will reap from what you have sown.

Originally posted by OldSchoolMom
.. it was about the children, controlling them.

That is the bottom line right there...

Children are being brainwashed and lied to.

We are blind to reality because WE were also brainwashed and lied to as children.

All of us have been influenced our entire lives by mind control propaganda.

THIS is why so many of you cannot believe what is right in front of your face.

" ...the real purposes of American education: to brainwash our children"

* to use the schools to change America from a free, individual nation to a socialist, global "state," just one of many socialist states which will be subservient to the United Nations Charter, not the United States Constitution; * to brainwash our children, starting at birth, to reject individualism in favor of collectivism*.

Only when all children in public, private and home schools are robotized-and believe as one-will World Government be acceptable to citizens and able to be implemented without firing a shot.

The attractive-sounding "choice" proposals will enable the globalist elite to achieve their goal: the robotization (brainwashing) of all Americans in order to gain their acceptance of lifelong education and workforce training-part of the world management system to achieve a new global feudalism. Full Post

The people who are structuring this thing have patients. Teach every generation a little more. It took Moses forty years in the wilderness to straighten his people out. I can't say everything about this conditioning is good and I can't say it is bad. Whoever is doing this isn't smart enough to forsee the consequences of their actions though, they are creating a real mess. The kids are turning out more messed up than ever and they don't want to earn their money, they want to sit around and collect a paycheck and idolize the wrong things in life. We need to see a new approach at this, it's all wrong, worse than what was around before.

reply to post by Malcher

People act differently around people they don't know well. This person may well be able to talk up a blue streak on that particular subject just will not do so with someone they don't know well enough. What someone "talks" about on an internet forum is still not viewed as normally talked about in an average conversation. I have even heard mentioned not to discuss religion or politics due to it being impolite. As far as religion it would go like this: Hey i dont believe in God... These questions evoke strong feelings and convictions, things may get testy and opinionated...and for what purpose?

I understand. This was a friend I knew well in childhood. We reconnected a little over 20 years later and she invited me to participate in a political event. It was a face to face discussion. Something has changed ya know... I agree we used to be a more polite society and gave more respect to differences of opinions. I remember my parents voting and all I remember was they voted opposite of each other (nope didn't make sense to me either). My mother was the only one who would talk about it and I remember how hateful and angry she would sound when she did. I think that deterred my interest as a child. We may not agree but, we all have the right to think and believe the way we like without being concerned about penalty or persecution. I highly doubt the kids have been taught that in this education system perhaps a very twisted version of it.
Hey, thanks for participating

I didn't read the whole thread however I just wanted to mention that with this theory (been around for awhile), if you were to include television as a programming source in your theory, you could say that we are being programmed most of the day and much of the night. The human subconscious works with what has been put in our minds (Input) for an output at a later time much like a computer. Subliminal suggestion is akin to hypnosis and "programming". Trigger words but also smells, sounds and or symbols release or act as a executable computer command for the subconscious mind. Great thread!

Who? The media owns them.

reply to post by Mr. D


So by coming to ATS we are either being deprogrammed, reprogrammed, or having our programming repaired depending on who we listen to. Sometimes we are also fed a pile of crap but that is also a part of the program.

Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by Mr. D

 

So by coming to ATS we are either being deprogrammed, reprogrammed, or having our programming repaired depending on who we listen to. Sometimes we are also fed a pile of crap but that is also a part of the program.

I hear you, what to do eh? Are we going to turn off the TV, Internet and Radio? For those who haven't seen it, check out the movie The Signal!