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I intended to expose the flawed training that is happening in our schools, socialism is just one of the "whats". If people were educated in history they would know that the socialist system has been tried and tried again and has had miserable results. There is a lot of psychological manipulation and deceit being used to manipulate kids to desire and think whatever the government wants them to desire and think. You see, my point is, they have used the education system to brainwash people, not educate them. These people have been brainwashed to believe distortions of the truth of history. We all have to a degree.
Let's take for example that in the socialist system you are in school and you get to take your pick of jobs offered... you get three choices... all of them are horrible in your opinion....some other guy who was in your class and was a bully (you hate him) get his list of job choices and all three of his choices are jobs you would rather have. In fact, one of his choices might make him your boss. In a socialist system tough luck.... pick the crappy job from your list, it's your for the rest of your life ok.....
Now, you take your heavy labor job, the bully is your boss, for life.
Based on the job you have, you get an apartment that is just 6x10' in size and you must share a bathroom with every other person living on the same floor. you all get to share a kitchen... don't forget to clean up after yourself.
Meanwhile, your boss, based on his job gets a bigger apartment 10x10 livingroom, a 10x10 bedroom and a fully modernized kitchen.
No change to upgrade jobs or apartments baby... thats what you get. oh, you do get healthcare ''
We have tons of other factors to consider but for now...please tell me how that is better than the system we have right now?
Generally, more highly educated people, who have higher incomes, consume more resources than poorly educated people, who tend to have lower incomes. In this case, more education increases the threat to sustainability."
"Indeed, in the 21st century, the literacy of SD will be as essential to comprehending the world as were the traditional skills of reading and writing at the start of the 20th century."
"The effectiveness must ultimately be measured by the degree to which ESD changes the attitudes and behaviours of people, both in their individual roles and in carrying out their collective responsibilities and duties as citizens"
"Learning has not taken place until behaviour is changed."
"Values, attitudes and interests can be learned/taught and also objectively evaluated."
Originally posted by OldSchoolMom
reply to post by Americanist
Hi Americanist,
I wanted to give you more than 1 start but it wouldn't let me. Thank you for sharing these videos. Exactly the kind of contributions I was hoping for. I smell a genius lol. Love is what is missing from education, in love we do not deceive or control others but encourage and share the wonders of the world. We teach our little ones to read so they can read any story or idea they choose to enhance their own life experiences. To write so they can share their ideas and experiences with others. To calculate numbers for trading and figuring things out in life. Though, I have a feeling you can say what I said much better, Thank you for saying it so simply.
I haven't finished watching the second video you posted so I am going to do that now. I am aware of many human experiments and the unloving ways the knowledge is used to manipulate and control but, I have not seen that one and it looks to be a very good one.
Peaceedit on 5-9-2012 by OldSchoolMom because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by penninja
I believe Socialism is the grandest theory ever presented, and I am sure it will someday rule the world. Then we will have attained the Millennium.… Then men will be content to work for the general welfare and share their riches with their neighbors.
Andrew Carnegie in New York Times (1 January 1885) "A Millionaire Socialist"
Seems like a warping of this quote here
None the less socialism and communism are not the same thing and I am actually a fan of socialism but not communism. Socialism does not remove the free will or creative spirit of a society, Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek was an example of socialism done well, a society in which all share to a sustainable degree and those who choose to strive can still have more in a Capitalist fashion. Communism implies all being absolutely equal which of course died because there is nothing to strive for just like Capitalism is dying from the abuse of greed
Originally posted by DCPatriot
Originally posted by penninja
I believe Socialism is the grandest theory ever presented, and I am sure it will someday rule the world. Then we will have attained the Millennium.… Then men will be content to work for the general welfare and share their riches with their neighbors.
Andrew Carnegie in New York Times (1 January 1885) "A Millionaire Socialist"
Seems like a warping of this quote here
None the less socialism and communism are not the same thing and I am actually a fan of socialism but not communism. Socialism does not remove the free will or creative spirit of a society, Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek was an example of socialism done well, a society in which all share to a sustainable degree and those who choose to strive can still have more in a Capitalist fashion. Communism implies all being absolutely equal which of course died because there is nothing to strive for just like Capitalism is dying from the abuse of greed
Interesting that you have to refer to fictional society in Rodenberry's Star Trek.
Because you sure as hell can't cite an actual successful one in the last 5000 years.
Originally posted by OldSchoolMom
reply to post by penninja
I intended to expose the flawed training that is happening in our schools, socialism is just one of the "whats". If people were educated in history they would know that the socialist system has been tried and tried again and has had miserable results. There is a lot of psychological manipulation and deceit being used to manipulate kids to desire and think whatever the government wants them to desire and think. You see, my point is, they have used the education system to brainwash people, not educate them. These people have been brainwashed to believe distortions of the truth of history. We all have to a degree.
Let's take for example that in the socialist system you are in school and you get to take your pick of jobs offered... you get three choices... all of them are horrible in your opinion....some other guy who was in your class and was a bully (you hate him) get his list of job choices and all three of his choices are jobs you would rather have. In fact, one of his choices might make him your boss. In a socialist system tough luck.... pick the crappy job from your list, it's your for the rest of your life ok.....
Now, you take your heavy labor job, the bully is your boss, for life.
Based on the job you have, you get an apartment that is just 6x10' in size and you must share a bathroom with every other person living on the same floor. you all get to share a kitchen... don't forget to clean up after yourself.
Meanwhile, your boss, based on his job gets a bigger apartment 10x10 livingroom, a 10x10 bedroom and a fully modernized kitchen.
No change to upgrade jobs or apartments baby... thats what you get. oh, you do get healthcare ''
We have tons of other factors to consider but for now...please tell me how that is better than the system we have right now?edit on 5-9-2012 by OldSchoolMom because: (no reason given)edit on 5-9-2012 by OldSchoolMom because: (no reason given)
Sweetheart... The book I linked everyone to is about 750 pages... You are either an amazing speed reader or a liar.
"sensationalism at it's best. 99% chance the subject of the video never existed. Twisting of statistics"
SOMEONE TELL ME WHY THE BOOK COSTS 90 DOLLARS?
"Hold on a second here! WHY in the world would this book cost 90 dollars!? This is outrageous, so the book that informs people how they are being manipulated to becomes stupid is too expensive for them to even buy the book. Hmmmmmmm, that makes so much sense. I should of known."
"The author was tired of the CIA's usual media control tricks of running the price sky high (up to $118.00 to effectively ban a book). If you do not understand this, you do not understand the true nature of the world you live in. The other reviews sum up the terrific nature of this book. She offers the book in pdf form for free on her website
"By reading this book. I knew a lot about the agenda has been in action for brainwashing in education, but this even blew my mind. I grow up in Soviet Union, so I probably can see better what is going on in America right now, but if someone is still confused by recent events, this book is very informative with real facts and documents.
There were many books about truth has been destroyed in Lithuania, only a few people who understood the importance of some books they have hidden them and later when the political system changed, it was available again, I will keep this book just for such purpose and hope there won't be such case." Amazon review
Originally posted by OldSchoolMom
reply to post by freemarketsocialist
I disagree with what you are saying. The rich do not want the poor to have a good 'education'. It has always been that way. It has nothing to do with communism and certainly nothing to do with socialism.
This is actually sad... Had you viewed the material you would know what this thread is about....maybe I am wrong, it is possible your brain saw a "trigger" and your brain also hiccuped. *Shrugs. I am saying the education has been hijacked and the purpose of education is to deceive, manipulate generations of people into wanting a system that in reality will enslave them. Thanks for your empty contribution and not elaborating on this contribution...you are a prime example of the product of the system I speak of.