Democrats drop 'GOD' and 'Jerusalem' from Party Platform, page 2


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reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 08:54 AM by otherpotato
Yes, he was evasive, but that happens every five minutes in politics so big deal - more of the same. Clearly the real issue is why was the term God removed. Another Democratic official (unnamed in this report - not sure if someone else can find a better reference) responded to the question thus:

“The 2008 platform reference is ‘God-given’ and is about growing the middle class and making America fair, not actually about faith. The platform includes an entire plank on the importance of faith based organizations and the tremendous work that they do. Further, the language we use to talk about faith and religion is exactly the same vocabulary as 2008. I would also note that the platform mentions: ‘faith’ 11 times; ‘religion’ or ‘religious’ 9 times; ‘church’ 2 times (one is a quote); and, ‘clergy’ 1 time.”


Source

The word God was actually used in the 2008 platform as more of an adjective, and the word God appeared only once. It would seem to me the reference was on its way out long ago.

My view, and perhaps this is the spirit behind which the change was made, is that God as a term of deity in the US typically is associated with the Christian "God." Its replacement with terms such as "faith" "religion" "religious" etc is more in keeping with a spirit of inclusiveness and recognizes that there are many terms for deity, not just "God." I know every religion wants to believe that their deity is the "right" one, and Christians have tried to corner the market on that in the US, but being the US we should not be choosing one term over another when it comes to an official platform. Individuals can use the term that fits their beliefs to make the reference but its really no longer appropriate when speaking on behalf of the American people.

Regarding the Israel topic - don't have enough background to speak to it, but on the surface it looks like a pretty pointed snub. Can't say whether I support the snub or not. I will leave that to others.


reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 09:02 AM by kosmicjack
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



I agree.

It's a personal thing and so they don't want to push off their views on the party at large. That's the way it should be and they should be proud to say so.



reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 09:09 AM by lordtyp0
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



Aye, it is a sad day in the world when actually conforming to the Constitution and being patriotic while trying to ensure everyone can participate in their own governance-gets painted as treason by people.


reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 10:05 AM by Consequence
Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Perhaps someday you'll understand that a Godless empire is darkness.

Really? Perhaps you should take a look at the Nordic countries? They attack no one, and no one attacks them. Crime is at manageable levels, people are well off and not fighting poverty. Where is the darkness?


Man is showing you the depths of his depravity today - genetic engineering

What is wrong with genetic engineering? The horrible diseases that God created should be taken as fantastic blessings?


, nuclear weopans

Really? Which countries are expected to use them? U.S, Israel...Iran. And why? Because of religion.


, abortion

Abortion is a horrible thing, regardless of Religion. Religious people just want to ban it. No one's enjoying it.


, euthanasia

Hmm.. very few countries allow this. Religion has nothing to do with it. Anyway, if someone commits suicide, regardless of God being there or not, let the person stand responsible and let God deal with the soul. Why is this a problem to you?


, talk of population reductions

...what?


, fear used to herd the masses

....isn't this the point with religion? It's the fear of God that makes people "behave". You said it yourself.
The good acting of people without a God is genuine, and not out of fear. Think about it.


, chemical food

...what?


, terrorism...

Isn't this usually because of God?


but yet, you want more.

No, I want less. But as shown here, all these problems are usually because of religion.




reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 10:11 AM by Eurisko2012
reply to post by FlyersFan



I predict the DNC will have problems until they put GOD back in the platform.

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I am very curious. Exactly who was the one who said " Lets take GOD out of the platform?"

George Soros?......Obama?..........Who ???


reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 10:17 AM by Indigo5
reply to post by FlyersFan





We will never get politicians that stand up for principles if we hammer them every time they fail to sufficently pander.

The words "FAITH" and "RELIGION" are all over the platform.

We were founded on the principle of Religious Freedom and it is refreshing to see a platform that is in keeping with our founders principles.


The GOP are indeed the party of the past...the party of de-evolution..."FAITH" was substitued for "GOD"...just as GOD was removed from that other SOCIALIST DOC...THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE!


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights;


Just a few excerpts from the 2012 Democratic platform.

Faith has always been a central part of the American story, and it has been a driving force of progress and justice throughout our history.

We know that our nation, our communities, and our lives are made vastly stronger and richer by faith and the countless acts of justice and mercy it inspires.

Faithbased organizations will always be critical allies in meeting the challenges that face our nation and our world - from domestic and global poverty, to climate change and human trafficking. People of faith and religious organizations do amazing work in communities across this country and the world, and we believe in lifting up and valuing that good work, and finding ways to support it where possible. We believe in constitutionally sound, evidence-based partnerships with faith-based and other non-profit organizations to serve those in need and advance our shared interests. There is no conflict between supporting faith-based institutions and respecting our Constitution, and a full commitment to both principles is essential for the continued flourishing of both faith and country.




People of faith and religious organizations do amazing work in communities across this country and the world, and we believe in lifting up and valuing that good work, and finding ways to support it where possible.



We are committed to ending racial, ethnic, and religious profiling and requiring federal, state, and local enforcement agencies to take steps to eliminate the practice



We also support the freedom of churches and religious entities to decide how to administer marriage as a religious sacrament without government interference. We oppose discriminatory federal and state constitutional amendments and other attempts to deny equal protection of the laws to committed same-sex couples who seek the same respect and responsibilities as other married couples.


www.nytimes.com...


reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 10:22 AM by queenannie38
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to
post by FlyersFan



I predict the DNC will have problems until they put GOD back in the platform.

---------------

I am very curious. Exactly who was the one who said " Lets take GOD out of the platform?"

George Soros?......Obama?..........Who ???


I'm thinking it was T. Jefferson, J. Madison, and a few of their peers?
Directly inspired by John Locke, perhaps?




reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 10:26 AM by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by queenannie38
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to
post by FlyersFan



I predict the DNC will have problems until they put GOD back in the platform.

---------------

I am very curious. Exactly who was the one who said " Lets take GOD out of the platform?"

George Soros?......Obama?..........Who ???


I'm thinking it was T. Jefferson, J. Madison, and a few of their peers?
Directly inspired by John Locke, perhaps?



God was in the Democrat platform in 2008.

I'm curious. Exactly who was the person who stood up and made the initial suggestion?

- Lets remove GOD in 2012 and just see what happens. -


reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 10:45 AM by beezzer
reply to post by FlyersFan



They took God out of their platform because it ran in contrast to the contents of their platform.

9 month partial-birth abortions? God took himself out of their platform!
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