No war was ever won, page 1

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Topic started on 5-9-2012 @ 03:28 AM by diamondoftheworld

As long as people died no war has ever been won.

It is an illusion to believe otherwise,even if the winner thinks he won that war and occupied that country actually he didn't won it.

Throughout history from ancient times winners, for those who think they have won the war they went and occupied the country (ies) the occupants became prisoners, because they mixed with the local population and were absorbed.

Even the ongoing economical war will never be won for the same reason ,people from all over the world suffer and they are dying for different economical reasons but most of all children suffer because they do not understand what is happening.

This is the silent war.

It's like a colorless odorless gas that came in silence, without prior notice and poisons people's lives worse than living in a real war.

Belligerent countries do not exceed their territory with real weapons but with poisonous gas that is odorless banks and their money without smell that kills silently.

This is WW3 .. a war with no explanation and that will never be won....because innocent people died.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:41 AM by thehoneycomb

Many people dont die as a result of war. The US is a great example. We are almost 250 years old and yet civilians are still free as a result.

But death on the other hand is a fact of life. One that can not be avoided.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:46 AM by freemarketsocialist

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:47 AM by thehoneycomb

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:49 AM by diamondoftheworld

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Many people dont die as a result of war. .

Don't make me say things...

The US is a great example. We are almost 250 years old and yet civilians are still free as a result.

Free in a prison of hopes..

But death on the other hand is a fact of life. One that can not be avoided.

That is true ..but not in wars that can never be won...especially the ongoing one.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:52 AM by thehoneycomb

reply to post by diamondoftheworld

What is it to win?

Everybody dies at some point or another, one way or another. We are not immortal, you must be willing to accept that or you will never win.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:53 AM by phroziac

But how was the us founded?

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:54 AM by thehoneycomb

reply to post by phroziac

Through war.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:55 AM by diamondoftheworld

reply to post by thehoneycomb

What is it to win?

The illusion of a war.

diamondoftheworld

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:56 AM by thehoneycomb

reply to post by diamondoftheworld

That doesn't make much sense. Im pretty sure bullets flying and people dying is a war, not an illusion.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:57 AM by freemarketsocialist

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by freemarketsocialist

2026

Australia could go from the date they made their own constitution or from the date the British landed or when the Aboriginals came from Africa.... Or you could argue that because we are not a republic and part of the commonwealth, we have no birthday. We had a bicentenary in 1988 which is based on the English coming here. Dutch were here first. And dont you guys love Christopher Columbus?

I think the op has a point.

Australia is awesome because we didnt need a war to break away from England.

Diplomacy saves more lives than war.

And

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reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:59 AM by thehoneycomb

reply to post by freemarketsocialist

Not really. You are still under their rule.

And you gave up your only means of self defense.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 04:00 AM by diamondoftheworld

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by diamondoftheworld

That doesn't make much sense. Im pretty sure bullets flying and people dying is a war, not an illusion.

What will win, except death and destruction?

Oh .. I know ... freedom,

hmm I wonder whose freedom!

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 04:01 AM by freemarketsocialist

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by freemarketsocialist

Not really. You are still under their rule.

And you gave up your only means of self defense.

What do you mean?

England has no power over our Government.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 04:06 AM by thehoneycomb

reply to post by diamondoftheworld

We won independence.

Define what winning is, cause it is natural that everybody dies at some point, one way or another.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 04:10 AM by diamondoftheworld

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by diamondoftheworld

We won independence.

Define what winning is, cause it is natural that everybody dies at some point, one way or another.

That is true,but define independence these days...if you can.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 04:12 AM by thehoneycomb

reply to post by diamondoftheworld

Sadly, I think independence has slipped away. It looks like another war may have to be fought.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 04:17 AM by diamondoftheworld

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by diamondoftheworld

Sadly, I think independence has slipped away. It looks like another war may have to be fought.

Again, you're right and again make me say things ...

you mean like a fire burning from inside?

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 04:29 AM by freemarketsocialist

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by diamondoftheworld

We won independence.

Define what winning is, cause it is natural that everybody dies at some point, one way or another.

If you need dead people we did have a small battle against the Red Coats. Eureka Stockade. Australia grew from a gold rush. The Red Coats were sticking their bayonets in the peoples faces and demanding miners pay expensive miners permit fees. Peter Lalor got on a stump and made a great speech. They took bayonets in their faces as an exception to their manhood. They took an oath- "We swear by the Southern Cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties."

They fought a small battle and lost.

What happened next is the great thing. The leaders of the rebellion were arrested and faced charges of treason. The jury/the people let them all off. Peter Lalor was a hero and became a politician.

That is good democracy They were free settlers from Europe,China,America,Canada and they all stood together and the people won. You could argue that Peter Lalor is the first 'Australian' . The battle wasnt the great thing, the democracy after the battle was the great thing.

Australia is independant. So is Canada and all the other nations in the commonwealth.

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reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 04:36 AM by Samuelis

Originally posted by freemarketsocialist

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by freemarketsocialist

Not really. You are still under their rule.

And you gave up your only means of self defense.

What do you mean?

England has no power over our Government.

Are you sure?

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