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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 03:26 AM
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A thought occurred to me. What are the odds that we today are completely over-thinking the "runways"? Perhaps those areas were originally intended for building settlements on. How long ago did the culture flourish again? Was it a wet environment at the time, as opposed to the current arid one? Flattening out the hilltops & placing your village on it makes sense if the alternative in this terrain, climate permitting, was being flooded out below.




posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 03:36 AM
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The lines and geoglyphs are totally in a different catergory, see I can understand that they geoglyphs would have been made for ritual aspects, not quite sure they would make them so large that they could only be seen from above but then again I saw one archeologist who thought they could have been there for them trying to signal the gods to come back or just to the gods themselves, but the lines on the other hand, who knows a true mystery, they make no sense in being there.

But for you Ancient Alien believers, one could defiantly argue that the lines were made by aliens for landing strips, mined a little bit around there, impressed the native tribal people and then left again, leaving these lines behind and the natives wanted them to return so build massive pictures in the ground.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 03:36 AM
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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by Nyiah
A thought occurred to me. What are the odds that we today are completely over-thinking the "runways"? Perhaps those areas were originally intended for building settlements on. How long ago did the culture flourish again? Was it a wet environment at the time, as opposed to the current arid one? Flattening out the hilltops & placing your village on it makes sense if the alternative in this terrain, climate permitting, was being flooded out below.


A very interesting theory but wouldn't this mean that all those other figures and lines on the Nazca Plains would have to have been made whilst the area was underwater?



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 05:27 AM
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I will ask this question again on this thread why does anyone think the would need a landing strip


We can do vertical take off and landing VTOL do you not think an advanced race could



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by wmd_2008
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I will ask this question again on this thread why does anyone think the would need a landing strip


We can do vertical take off and landing VTOL do you not think an advanced race could


Just to end this "point" you keep making.

Yes, we have VTOL; we´ve had it for many, many years. Do we still have runways? Why?

I hope you will reflect on the questions above and answer your own question.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by RationalDespair

Originally posted by wmd_2008
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I will ask this question again on this thread why does anyone think the would need a landing strip


We can do vertical take off and landing VTOL do you not think an advanced race could


Just to end this "point" you keep making.

Yes, we have VTOL; we´ve had it for many, many years. Do we still have runways? Why?

I hope you will reflect on the questions above and answer your own question.



YES but the only reason is we don't have the ability to have VTOL on all our aircraft , so these supposed advanced aliens who can fly many light years need runways



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 07:02 AM
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Prof. Nickell is demonstrating that it does not take an otherworldly effort to carve one of the rather large images at Nazca. He is suggesting that, based on verifiable, proven research, maybe the Nazca Lines aren't as extraordinary as people think. All of the images on the ground could have easily been created by humans. The people at Nazca certainly didn't need any type of celestial beings to help. That's all the paper is saying...because they proved it. So, hypothetically, I was not there when the people at Nazca created these images, so it is indeed possible that (based purely on conjecture) alien beings created them. But the actual evidence points to humans.

And how do you know what an alien looks like? You say an alien is carved into the ground at Nazca. But where is the proof of what one looks like so I can compare? I have seen the image that you are referring to and it is a stretch to say that it is anything other worldly.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by RationalDespair

Originally posted by wmd_2008
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I will ask this question again on this thread why does anyone think the would need a landing strip


We can do vertical take off and landing VTOL do you not think an advanced race could


Just to end this "point" you keep making.

Yes, we have VTOL; we´ve had it for many, many years. Do we still have runways? Why?

I hope you will reflect on the questions above and answer your own question.



YES but the only reason is we don't have the ability to have VTOL on all our aircraft , so these supposed advanced aliens who can fly many light years need runways


I was hoping you would look it up yourself or at least backup your own claim, but why do we not have VTOL ability on all our aircraft? Why are there still aircraft developed and build that don´t have this ability? I´ll tell one of the reasons that goes for a lot of technology: one kind of specialisation (like VTOL) may hinder or prevent other types of specialisations that have a higher priority in serving a purpose.

In case of VTOL aircraft, they can carry less payload, have a smaller action radius and are much more maintenance intensive. On top of that, they are usually subsonic, when most non-VTOL jet fighter aircraft are supersonic. As far as I know, only the Russian YAK-141 is a supersonic VTOL jet fighter, but it wasn´t even taken into production because of costs.

Whether or not advanced aliens or humans were involved is besides the point. It´s not even what I believe or what I suggested. If only civilisations back then had our current level of technology, then they would face the same problems as we are. And even if they were a space travelling hyper-advanced alien race, the same restrictions to a VTOL might have applied to them.

Truth is, you cannot rule out the use of one thing because another thing exists. Why are people still riding bikes when we have automobiles? Ridiculous, right!?



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 07:33 AM
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I was simply sharing a valid opinion from a guy who has actually researched the issue. Most scholars agree on what the objects represent and why they were created. But they don't have hard evidence. So it is a mystery. But Nickell's study is a piece of the puzzle. His paper (if you cared to read it) is thorough and does not extrapolate beyond what is provable by his own research. When talking about something as awe-inspiring as Nazca, I just feel like it is important to introduce at least SOME of the analysis.

You asked "whodunit?" Well, I pitched you an answer from Nickell's research (that you apparently didn't read). Humans living in the area made them as markers for where certain celestial bodies and constellations would rise and fall during the solstices. Is it gospel? No. But is it possible? Yes

During his research he interviews people who have been to Nazca and support a different opinion than yours. You said the "patterns are only clearly visible from the air and space." Some of the folks who have been there say otherwise. It is not my opinion, it is theirs. Maybe they are liars, I don't know. All I know is that National Geographic isn't prone to supporting complete fabrications.

My mistake if I interpreted your post to mean ET's. It seems clear that some posters took it to that level and I may have responded to them in my post to you.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 08:08 AM
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Just posting so I can come back later. I dont have time to post right now.
Awesome thread with great pics! S+F!



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by RationalDespair


I was hoping you would look it up yourself or at least backup your own claim, but why do we not have VTOL ability on all our aircraft? Why are there still aircraft developed and build that don´t have this ability? I´ll tell one of the reasons that goes for a lot of technology: one kind of specialisation (like VTOL) may hinder or prevent other types of specialisations that have a higher priority in serving a purpose.

In case of VTOL aircraft, they can carry less payload, have a smaller action radius and are much more maintenance intensive. On top of that, they are usually subsonic, when most non-VTOL jet fighter aircraft are supersonic. As far as I know, only the Russian YAK-141 is a supersonic VTOL jet fighter, but it wasn´t even taken into production because of costs.

Whether or not advanced aliens or humans were involved is besides the point. It´s not even what I believe or what I suggested. If only civilisations back then had our current level of technology, then they would face the same problems as we are. And even if they were a space travelling hyper-advanced alien race, the same restrictions to a VTOL might have applied to them.

Truth is, you cannot rule out the use of one thing because another thing exists. Why are people still riding bikes when we have automobiles? Ridiculous, right!?



For one other people on here claim aliens so that why the airstrip theory is BS


Second with YOUR theory they would need a decent surface for heavy aircraft not what you have there


Three people ride bikes for pleasure.because of their principles or its the only transport they can afford



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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It's unusual, but why does unusual mean anything other than that? So little is known about them....they could have been formed tens of thousands of years ago.



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 12:12 AM
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nice, its called "cargo culture" you may just be right



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 12:27 AM
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Don't we make large things on the ground as targets for satellite calibrations? Maybe these giant runways and angles are for that purpose, but for ancient alien use. They fly to earth, park in orbit over these glyphs, and calibrate their cameras.



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 08:56 AM
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This is quite disturbing too:

planetark.org/enviro-news/item/66227



posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Thought some might find this interesting.
www.livescience.com...



posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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Has anyone tried to reconstruct the nazca lines today with the methods thought to be used, exactly as they are, completely? Not just one or two of the lines or one figure and not a scale size. Just to see how difficult it would be? That would be interesting to see.

found this info of someone trying to do one line.




Maybe it wasn't so difficult after all? In 1981, volunteers from the Earthwatch organization had a go at it. Evan Hadingham, author of Lines of the Mountain Gods, participated and described the process: "We selected a remote corner of the Nazca Valley for our experiment, far from any genuine ancient markings. Though the surface here was rougher than that of most parts of the pampa I had seen, consisting of coarse volcanic stones, it was easy to create the color contrast required for our line. All we had to do was peel away the crust of dark brown surface rocks to reveal the dusty yellow-white clay immediately beneath. Our reconstruction began with a simple surveying procedure: we lined up two tall poles to coincide with a cleft in the distant horizon and then stretched the string between them. This formed one border of our line. To set out the other border, we measured off another pair of poles side by side with the first. Within the avenue of string thus created, we spread ourselves out at arm's length, one behind the other. The idea was that each volunteer would squat on the ground and gather up all the stones within arm's reach into a single pile. This seemed an efficient way to collaborate on removing the surface. Moreover, it reproduced the small, regularly spaced stone heaps still visible inside many (presumably unfinished) cleared figures. The final phase was to get rid of the piles by spreading the stones out along the borders of the line. At this stage it was useful to have "Chief Priest Aveni" standing by to point out where the edges of the line still appeared ragged or crooked. Eventually the strings were removed, and the result looked remarkably like the perfectly straight avenues we were emulating."[7] They went on to add a smooth spiral to the end of the line, and Hadingham wondered whether the skills required by the Nazcans were so amazing after all? To take it one stage further, in 1982 Joe Nickell of Kentucky, USA, and some family members, successfully recreated the 440-foot-long condor in a field near their home. They took nine hours to plot and stake 165 points and connect them with twine. The resulting image (they used white lime to mark it) was an exact replica. "The method we chose was quite simple: We would establish a center line and locate points on the drawing by plotting their coordinates. That is, on the small drawing we would measure along the center line from one end (the bird's beak) to a point on the line directly opposite the point to be plotted (say a wing tip). Then we would measure the distance from the center line to the desired point. A given number of units on the small drawing would require the same number of units--larger units--on the large drawing. For this larger unit we used one gleaned by Maria Reiche from her study of the Nazca drawings and approximately equivalent to 12.68 inches. For measuring on the ground, we prepared ropes marked off with paint into these Nazca "feet," with a knot tied at each ten-"foot" interval for a total length of 100 units. To aid in accuracy in plotting on the ground, we decided to employ a "T" made of two slender strips of wood. With this we could ensure that each measurement made from the center line would be at approximate right-angles to the line."[8]


Looking at the whole map image of the lines that has been provided (never seen that before) it brings this to my mind:
The Arecibo message (DetectiveT mentioned satellite came to mind)... perhaps this was their attempt of sending a message out to the heavens just as we do today but in a different method due to our advanced technology. I mean we do it and we don't have hard evidence that we have been visited but we still do it and we still search, so why wouldn't prior civilizations have done the same?
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posted on Sep, 9 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Hey leolady,

You mean a bit like SETI? That could be plausible, never thought of it like that. I remember seeing on Ancient Aliens Season 1, Episode 4 (The Mission) about the band of holes, which stretches for 1,450 metres and is approx. 20 metres wide with around 6,900 holes, where their hypothesis was that the holes were used for signalling "spacecraft" from the air by filling in certain holes like a binary code, as used in crop circles around the world.

Plus, they also mentioned that all of Earth's resources are abundant in Nazca, Peru. So why wouldn't they choose this destination for their base? I think Erich Von Daniken is a genius, and love watching him on Ancient Aliens, and think he has hit the nail on the head with the Nazca Lines.

Tino1985.
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posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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Hey guys, although im new to ATS, but i have been reading all these thread back in 2008, i maybe have some answers for you guys. I do apology for the grammar mistake, my first language is not English.

Let me correct this first. We might lookin at mountain-sized spaceships, they are very likely anti gravity, and very likely to be vertical landing, the picture already show us those flattened mountains are landing pad, landing pads are different from runway, airplane engine need to speed up then to take off. During this process, the plane will leave the marks on the ground by the rubber tires. But for helicopters, a small flat area will do the work. But who use helicopters to transport heavy cargo shipping?

Simple logic, they came to earth for mining, for sure they need a place landing for large equipment around mountains. Therefore the transportations can be enormously large. This will require a terminal, need a station on the land. So im conclude that Nazca is either a landing site, or a mining site. Simply we just comparing ourself landed on the moon, digging the moon to collect some soil samples. This means back in that time, their technology has been far more advanced than our nowadays technology.

Since they can flatten the mountain, its not surprising to see they have ability to draw lines

Those meaningless lines could be used as navigation for their landing devices on the spaceships, GPS requires satellite help to do the navigation, however there are trillion of trillions of planet in this universe. Those high intelligent species could have a system on the ship to read those mark and scan on different planet, it works like our barcode system.

or a 2nd reason is for mining usage, for such a huge area, to layout the area in parts can be much efficiency for mining.

Those graph probably shows to those passenger who has never visit earth, travelling in their high advance aircraft, and telling them whats the different species on our planet, it maybe considering as their "art" or guild books, probabaly those animals are lethal to alien themselves. (Also I found aliens are not capable of writing on the paper, this could be their technology is far way ahead of us, they might have a alternative way to writing. Since human beings have never found not any sign of trees on other planet, which means alien willnot use any printing-on-the-papper-technology, We have trees on earth, but aliens know nothing about how to make papers. Thats why when aliens shaping our human history, they taught our ancestors how to curve first or drawing in the cave.) Also I found interesting thing about the animal figure, Look at the way they draw those animals, pretty much tell us that immaturity painters will draw the picture like this, like children

Id like to see more info about what exactly going on under the soil (geologist research)





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