Colorado Counties Have More Voters Than People

I’m sure there is a reasonable explanation for this!

A review of voter registration data for ten counties in Colorado details a pattern of voter bloat inflating registration rolls to numbers larger than the total voting age population. Using publicly available voter data and comparing it to U.S. Census records reveals the ten counties having a total registration ranging between 104 to 140 percent of the respective populations.

Counties such as Gilpin and Hinsdale have 110 percent of their populations registered to vote. Gilpin County has a total population of 5,441 with 17.4% of the population below the voting age, making the highest possible number of registered voters 4,494. Currently Gilpin County has 4909 registered voters. Hinsdale County has a total population of 830 with 20% of the population below the voting age, making the highest possible number of registered voters 664. At 110 percent registration, that means that there are 515 excess voter registrations in Gilpin county and 68 excess registrations for Hinsdale.

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Hinsdale also had a HUGE voter turnout in 2010 with 92% of registered voters showing up to the polls. Colorado is a swing state and will definitely play a role in this year’s presidential race. Obama and Romney are in a statistical dead heat in Colorado and both of them desperately need Colorado’s 9 votes. So are one of these men (or both) to blame for this trend?

Colorado is neither blue nor red, it's dark purple: A hard swing state, Colorado is a strong battleground for presidential candidates this November. Colorado’s population has been growing, and it now has 50% more electoral votes than it did in the 1960s. The state now has nine electoral votes. With a current split of 45% for Obama, 44% for Romney, and 11% undecided, you can see why both candidates have spent roughly $25 million in television advertising in Colorado alone.

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This trend isn’t just limited to Hinsdale County either. All ten counties investigated by Media Trackers reported extremely high voter turnout. In San Miguel County 140 percent of the population was registered to vote.

How can you have voter registration rolls in excess of 100% of registered voters without some type of fraud?? Can we really dismiss this trend as poor record keeping? Doesn’t this make a good case for voter ID laws? I’d kind of like to know who these people are…wouldn't you?

Gilpin County is where there is two of only three towns where gambling is legal in Colorado. Makes you wonder.
One of the counties they list is Elbert, that's where my dad lives. He's probably behind the whole thing. You should have heard us bicker about Sarah Palin! I'm so glad I was right... Take that dad!

Oh look my pet fluffy voted

This type of scam in my opinion should be so easy to crack, but why are they never proven...?

Originally posted by seabag
How can you have voter registration rolls in excess of 100% of registered voters without some type of fraud?? Can we really dismiss this trend as poor record keeping? Doesn’t this make a good case for voter ID laws? I’d kind of like to know who these people are…wouldn't you?

They are called dead people. What does it have to do with voter ID laws? Show me ONE SINGLE PERSON THAT VOTED THROUGH ID FRAUD. Can you show me one? Or are you just like most Republicans and afraid of imaginary crap that might make people vote for Obama?

30,000 dead people on NC voter rolls
www.ncnn.com...

Well, I guess it will be alright as long as they are a "no show".

sad eyed lady

Every cycle there are stories like this. Dead people voting, phantom registrations, even footage of blatant lying and voting fraud.

Maybe 10% of the population bother to notice it and of that half will put up a stink about it then after the election it just goes away and everyone goes on about their business as if it never happened.

Just last week I showed a friend of mine all the local fraud stuff that was recorded and reported on when he said "fraud is a myth" and his reaction was to look away and change the subject. Quite literally. And he's not the only one I've approached about the subject who simply ignored it all. Makes me feel like I'm in an episode of the Twilight Zone.

Isnt this kind of important? Isnt widespread election fraud worthy of concern?

If we are to believe any of this matters then yes it is all important.

If voting itself is a complete sham then I suppose none of this is important.

So which is it?

CBS News, Activists Vote with Dead Peoples Names

I mean, c'mon! If I can just walk up and use any name in the phone book to vote you dont think anyone else is doing it?

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Oh look my pet fluffy voted

Right!

This type of scam in my opinion should be so easy to crack, but why are they never proven...?

It is easy to catch, and some cases do get prosecuted, but the main reason it’s not a bigger issue is because it’s protected by many! Look at the way Juan Williams spins this issue….

At a recent meeting of the Pennsylvania GOP State Committee, the top Republican in the state House of Representatives, Mike Turzai, declared that a new requirement for voters to show identification with a photograph on it “is going to allow Gov. [Mitt] Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania.” He drew wild applause from Republicans in the crowd.

The new law being referred to won approval under the state’s Republican Governor Tom Corbett and the GOP majority in the state legislature.

The result is that 9.2 percent of the state’s 8.2 million voters are suddenly at risk of losing their right to vote. Eighteen percent of the registered voters in Philadelphia do not have government issued photographic identification.

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He makes it an issue of “discrimination” and party affiliation….buzz words that turn people off.

Do you want to discriminate against voters who aren’t even eligible to vote?

I sure as hell do!!!

Originally posted by seabag
It is easy to catch, and some cases do get prosecuted, but the main reason it’s not a bigger issue is because it’s protected by many! Look at the way Juan Williams spins this issue….

How many are there?
Where are your examples?
I think you are making this up.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

CBS News, Activists Vote with Dead Peoples Names

I mean, c'mon! If I can just walk up and use any name in the phone book to vote you dont think anyone else is doing it?

edit on 4-9-2012 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)

If Voter fraud is real, then why do you have to lie?
Not one of those people voted in a dead person's name, they were CAUGHT AND STOPPED.

When they came to his polling place, they were stopped by his staff’s diligence. Still Bullock says they did point out flaws in the system.

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
30,000 dead people on NC voter rolls

Dead voters eh? Sounds fimiliar:

In Georgia in 2000, 5,412 votes were alleged to have been cast by deceased voters, upon investigation it turned out that it was an error, no fraudulent votes were found.

In Michigan in 2005, 132 votes were alleged to have been cast by deceased voters, only 8 cases were revealed as substantiated fraud.

In New Jersey in 2004, 4,755 deceased voters were alleged to have cast a ballot. In the end upon investigation it turned out to be a flaw on those managing the voters list.

In New York in 2002 and 2004, 2,600 deceased voters were alleged to have cast a ballot, again based on a match of voter rolls to death lists, there turned out to be no voter fraud in the end, upon investigation.
www.truthaboutfraud.org...

I'll eat my cat if they can even prove that even 1000 of those dead voters have been registered in North Carolina, because voter fraud through the deceased is more rare than other forms of fraud. Until actual proof is provided, speculation means nothing,

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Who's lying?

The group tried the same stunt again and again and they succeeded at least nine times in using the names of recently deceased voters.

The only thing stopping them was themselves.

No fraudulent ballots were actually cast. The attorney general’s office says they have no complaints of illegal voting in Tuesday’s primary.

Get called out for using a dead name just move on to the next polling place.

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I’m sure there is a reasonable explanation for this!

Usually there is. Rightwingers have a history of fearmongering over the voting process. In Colorado in 2010 the Republican secretary of State claimed 5,000 illegals voted, to this day he hasn't turned up with a number of actual proven cases of fraud. He revised that number to 106 cases, yet still we're yet to see conclusive evidence as to the actual number of proven cases. Texas alone only reported 57 proven cases of voter fraud since 2002 and they have 15 million eligible voters:
www.politifact.com...

It's one thing to speculate that ineligible voters are participating, that there are more registered voters than the eligible population, it's another thing to actually prove individual cases of fraud. In person voter fraud is rare, mainly because it's an ineffective way to fool the voting system, it takes a significant amount of effort and it exposes fraudsters more so than other methods of fraud:

There are “very few documented cases,” said UC-Irvine professor and election law specialist Rick Hasen. “When you do see election fraud, it invariably involves election officials taking steps to change election results or it involves absentee ballots which voter ID laws can’t prevent,” he said.

www.propublica.org...

Voter fraud does exist but it occurs on a very small scale. Until there are actual convictions or proven cases of fraud, you're no different than the other examples of voter fearmongering on the rightwing.

How interesting. Could it be that voting hasn't happened yet, and we are talking about voter registration?

Oh no, can't possibly be that, it must be voter fraud cause we all know that Colorado has it's votes in AUGUST instead of NOVEMBER.

But nice try Right Wingers. Again missing facts to support the allegations, but hey, you get an A for Effort.

So, if we are talking about voter registration, then we can get this error by duplicate voter registrations, which can be easily done, getting a library card, drivers license, etc and someone can register to vote. Doesn't mean that the duplicates WILL vote, but don't let semantics get in the way of creating a controversy where none exists.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by wascurious

 

Who's lying?

The group tried the same stunt again and again and they succeeded at least nine times in using the names of recently deceased voters.

The only thing stopping them was themselves.

No fraudulent ballots were actually cast. The attorney general’s office says they have no complaints of illegal voting in Tuesday’s primary.

Get called out for using a dead name just move on to the next polling place.

You are still lying. You took that snippet out of context to make it look like they succeeded in voting. THEY DID NOT. They did not vote at the next polling place or the next or the next. They just did not vote in any dead people's names.

Why are you making your lie worse?

reply to post by wascurious

They are called dead people. What does it have to do with voter ID laws? Show me ONE SINGLE PERSON THAT VOTED THROUGH ID FRAUD. Can you show me one? Or are you just like most Republicans and afraid of imaginary crap that might make people vote for Obama?

The recent study everyone on the left keeps parading out shows 10 cases!



I only have one vote so ONE fraudulent vote is too many IMO!

You’re looking at this as if only the prosecuted cases count. I don’t know about you but before I was 21 I tried unsuccessfully to buy beer at least a dozen times yet I was never prosecuted. Does that mean it never happened?

By the way...I was also successful several times when I wasn't carded!

They must be zombies going to the polling places and casting votes, because according to some ignorant people here on ATS voter fraud doesn't exist.

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How is posting "no ballots were cast" equate to me trying to make it seem that ballots were cast?

The secretly recorded video shows activists requesting ballots for recently deceased voters. In most cases, they receive the ballot with no questions asked.

Are you just trying to be cute because they didnt actually follow through and cast a fraudulent vote?

It happens. Fraud isnt a unicorn.

Regardless it doesnt matter anyway.

Individual voter fraud is a non-issue in the grand scheme.

You can go on believing it never happens and I'll believe it can and does happen and in the end nothing changes for anyone anyway.

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady

30,000 dead people on NC voter rolls
www.ncnn.com...

Well, I guess it will be alright as long as they are a "no show".

Yes, but they show up on the rolls as deceased.

In Colorado this is not the case as far as I know.

I think all forms of voter fraud should be taken seriously. Everyone always complains about how the voting system is screwed up and rigged yet many of the same people cry like babies when somebody tries to do something about it.

I don’t know about the rest of you but I’m watching Colorado closely….

reply to post by seabag


Here we go, this may shed some more light on this matter:

BARTLETT - In a small county like Wheeler, the election commissioner knows most of the people in the county.

But just because Cara Snider " who also holds the title of county clerk, county assessor, register of deeds and clerk of the district court " knows that someone has moved out of the county, that doesn't mean she can take them off the voter registration list until she gets written verification.

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Snider said if someone registers to vote and then leaves the county, such as a high school student who has left for college, they may still be on the voter rolls, yet counted by the census in their college town.

But technology is catching up to the problem. Snider said that if someone from Wheeler County moves to Hall County, for example, when they tell the Hall County election commissioner where they were last registered as they re-register to vote, Snider will get an email advising that she may take that person off of the voter list.

lexch.com...

We're talking about registered voters vs the actual population. Once you register to vote in a county, your name is kept on the list of registered voters until you specifically notify administrators that you have moved. There are still people registered to vote whom may have moved outside the county and state years ago. So the number of registered voters on the list does not necessarily mean that all those voters have to be still living in those counties.

Until there are actual proven cases of voter fraud, this is nothing.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

There are still people registered to vote whom may have moved outside the county and state years ago. So the number of registered voters on the list does not necessarily mean that all those voters have to be still living in those counties.

I understand that and it makes perfect sense…..but…..why are Colorado’s voter turnout percentages so much higher than the national average? It might not look so darned suspicious if it wasn’t a swing state.

Hanging Chads, anyone? Do we want to go through this again?

I’m not making any accusations, I’m simply pointing out how suspicious this looks.

It’s something to watch - I wouldn’t be surprised if it later becomes an issue in this election.