Who Are The "Synagogue of Satan", The "Jews" Who Are Not Jews", Mentioned In Revelation?

Originally posted by dave13
reply to post by TTAA2012

 

THE JEWS WHO ARE NOT JEWS, are the followers of Jesus as the MESSIAH, as the Revelation was written against Jesus as the messiah.

How do you justify such a statement? It may work for some, who are not grounded in the Scripture, but it will not fly with me. Do you really think you can get away with being so dismissive??

reply to post by Lazarus Short


LAZURUS-

Revelation was written against Jesus as the Messiah, The JEWS that followed Jesus are the non Jews in the revelation.

666= XXX = +++ = Son, Father , Holy Spirit = Jesus.
6 is the 6th day of the week , Friday, the day Jesus was crucified,
Satan means opponent in Hebrew, Jesus was the opponent to the religious leaders who killed him and hated him so much that they have written the book of revelation against him as the beast, devil etc etc etc

The VATICAN IS THE STRONGEST RELIGIOUS ORGANISATION IN THIS WORLD AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY TECH FULLY AGAINST JESUS TEACHINGS.

reply to post by TTAA2012


They (The Jewish) know they are not the seed of Abraham, it’s the rest of the planet that is clueless b/c as the Scriptures state “if it were possible, they would deceive the very Elect” and that is exactly what has happened. Those that are not His Elect have been deceived!
A belief system is irrelevant when it doesn't stand up to the scrutiny of fact, logic and reasoning. A BASIC understanding of Nationality will reveal why you are in error with your query.
From the beginning of civilization Nationality has always been determined by the seed of the father and the father's father. In other words, nationality is determined by bloodline pedigree. It only recently changed with the Revival of the Red Dragon (Roman Empire) from 1611 to now where the Revived Roman Empire began to incorporate nationality so as to have a means to lawfully control the people as corporate entities (better known as straw-men). All declared nationalities are contained within Genesis Chapter 10 (18 in all).
Gen 9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.
Gen 9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread

Nationality is Culture, history, identity and pedigree so the thing to note here is that nationality is distinct categorizations of these 4 attributes but based on the seed of the father. This is important to denote as Jewish people trace their ancestry through their matrilineal line not patrilineal (ahhh, there's a clue!!!)
So when you use the term Jew, you must comprehend that the scriptural definition and the modern day definition of the term are not the same. Jew in the Scriptures refers to the Israelite Tribe of Judah which was the king tribe. And the chosen ones are more appropriately referred to as Israelites (12 tribes in all). If you say "Jew" you are distinguishing 1 out of the 12 chosen people of The Most High Almighty. You can only be a Judahite (Jew) by bloodline pedigree. You don't join a said religion to become a Jew. But you do join one to become Jewish and let the ignorant attempt to discern if those terms in law are actually the same (which they are not).The people referring to themselves and who the world believes are Jews today are not Jews by bloodline pedigree, they are Jewish. And they have used this little known fact to deceive a great many souls.
Modern day Jews practice Juda-ism which is completely different from the Hebrew Faith practiced by the Israelites as Theocracy or government by The Most High Almighty.
Juda-ism is a religion and The Hebrew Faith is Theocracy. Not the same at all!
So now that you have that basis, and now you know that Nationality is determined by the seed of the father and the father's father, trace the geneaologies in Genesis and you will see that the Israelites (of which Judah was a part of) came through the line of Shem and not Japeth. The Christ knew law, he was law and he knew Nationality was and still is determined by the seed of the father and the father's father which makes it impossible for Jewish people to actually be Israelite Tribe of Judah/Judahite/Jew. This is why he made the statements in Rev 2:9 & 3:9. This is illustrated by the abbreviated geneaology as follows Adam-> Seth->Noah->Shem->Eber->Abraham->Issac->Jacob (Isra'el)-> 12 Tribes.
Note that Ashkenaz (Germans) are not in the geneaology.

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reply to post by Navysnipe


At the bottom of the page that you linked to, it says, "Don’t you ever wonder why they make such a big deal about certain things on TV?"

The reason why is what it points out, that the corporate media is completely controlled by and run by, and are on it, by people who just happen to be operating under the label, Jew (not to be confused with the people in the Bible who actually had a legitimate claim to that name).

reply to post by TTAA2012


I think the main thing to realise is that the word 'synagogue' is actually a Greek word and means something like an assembly of believers or church; so this reference in the Bible does not automatically mean it's a Jewish church!

In common usage 'synagogue' has come to mean specifically a Jewish church, but the Jews themselves speak of going to Shul; unless they're using the current meaning/understanding of the use of the word 'synagogue' as understood in English.

All of the promises from God in the Bible are directed to Israel, so Christian theologians who can see and acknowledge this problem, use the reasoning that they are 'spiritual Israel' so that God's promises then become made to Christians. I believe this is where Christians are claiming to be 'Jews'...

In identifying the seven churches of Revelation, the fact that they are specifically in Turkey in Asia is ignored or overlooked, because there seems no viable explanation. But when the Abomination of Desolation is seen standing in the holy place, those in Judah are instructed to flee IMMEDIATELY to the mountains, and it is said further along that they will not have finished going through Israel, which shows their flight will be in a northerly direction, and if they continue on in this direction, they will land up in Turkey.

The Abomination of Desolation standing in the holy place heralds the start of the Tribulation, which lasts specifically for 1,260 days but it is said these days are shortened, otherwise no flesh would survive, points to the fact that there will be survivors on earth during the Day of Wrath and I believe these survivors, in seven main groups, will shelter in the massive ancient underground cities, such as Derinkuyu, located in Turkey.

While these seven assembled groups are hiding and waiting is when the contents of those seven letters in Revelation will become extremely relevant!

The Son warned in Matthew 24:9 that the Tribulation would be over his name and that his followers would be hated and killed because of it. The Antichrist who stands 'against', as an enemy of the true Messiah, also stands IN his place hiding the true Son of God from common view, and the main church guilty of this crime is the Roman Catholic church which promotes Jesus Christ, Christian deity, God the Son, second person of the Trinity, worshipped as God, as Easter and Christmas, etc.

Thus hiding from view the true Son of God, Yeshua the Messiah, who is kosher Jewish High Priest, who will lead his followers in worship of the one Creator God on the Sabbath and on the Biblical festivals or holy days.

To cut a long story short, Satan gives his 'son', the man of perdition / beast from the sea, his power, throne and authority. The only RELIGIOUS throne in the world, is the position of Sovereign of the Vatican City... so this seat/throne of great power and authority is the Synagogue of Satan.

reply to post by Maigret

. . . so this reference in the Bible does not automatically mean it's a Jewish church!

But it always does, as it turns out.

. . . the Jews themselves speak of going to Shul . . .

That is a Yiddish word derived from German.
The same way we get the English, school.

All of the promises from God in the Bible are directed to Israel, so Christian theologians who can see and acknowledge this problem, use the reasoning that they are 'spiritual Israel' so that God's promises then become made to Christians. I believe this is where Christians are claiming to be 'Jews'...

Those are two different things, between a Jew, and Israel.
If your theory was correct, it wouldn't be used to refer to just one congregation.
"Spiritual Israel" isn't a modern invention by theologians, it is fundamental to Christian belief.
Paul uses the concept to describe how the promise is fulfilled by Jesus, and through him to those who believe in him.
Paul says that the promises were made better.
Physical Israel were promised a piece of real estate, where now it is of the world to come, eternal life.
It has been expanded in terms of both who it includes, and what is the promise itself.

. . . and it is said further along that they will not have finished going through Israel, which shows their flight will be in a northerly direction . . .

OK, where exactly "further along" does it say that?

The Abomination of Desolation standing in the holy place heralds the start of the Tribulation, which lasts specifically for 1,260 days but it is said these days are shortened, otherwise no flesh would survive . . .

Jesus never mentions the seventy weeks prophecy of Daniel, just the "the abomination that causes desolation" (2011 NIV).
The days cut short is the siege of Jerusalem, where people were suffering, and how people thought back then, God would be forced to destroy the entire earth to end such a great suffering. So the main point was more about the intensity of the suffering than it was about a specific number of days.

. . . points to the fact that there will be survivors on earth during the Day of Wrath . . .

Which already happened in 70 AD.

The Son warned in Matthew 24:9 that the Tribulation would be over his name and that his followers would be hated and killed because of it.

That isn't directly connected with the tribulation from the desolation, but was what would happen personally to the very people that he was talking directly to in that conversation, his disciples. They would be thrown out of the synagogues and beaten and eventually martyred.

The Antichrist who stands 'against', as an enemy of the true Messiah, also stands IN his place hiding the true Son of God from common view . . .

This is all fantasy because the Bible describes nothing like that.

and the main church guilty of this crime is the Roman Catholic church which promotes Jesus Christ, Christian deity, God the Son, second person of the Trinity, worshiped as God, as Easter and Christmas, etc.

You are talking about the church, period, because it believes those things, not just the Roman church.

Thus hiding from view the true Son of God, Yeshua the Messiah, who is kosher Jewish High Priest, who will lead his followers in worship of the one Creator God on the Sabbath and on the Biblical festivals or holy days.

Jesus was a Jew, and by definition would have been Kosher, or rather kept the various laws that we think of as Kosher.
The rest is fantasy, including the idea that his "real" name was Yeshua.

To cut a long story short, Satan gives his 'son', the man of perdition / beast from the sea, his power, throne and authority. The only RELIGIOUS throne in the world, is the position of Sovereign of the Vatican City... so this seat/throne of great power and authority is the Synagogue of Satan.

"Son of perdition" doesn't mean son of Satan.
There is no prophecy about a throne, at least in connection with an earthly kingdom ruled by Satan or some sort of antichrist.
There is what looks like a prediction in 2 Thessalonians about someone, a man of sin, in the temple of God, whatever that means.
It is in connection with a "falling away", which is described in Josephus' book, The Wars of the Jews.
You had these rebels who were supposedly the saviors of Israel, who were going to defeat its enemies, but ended up taking over the temple as a military stronghold and defiled it by using it as a headquarters for strategy planning, right in the holy place.

The Governorship of Judea had been handed to the Idumaen (Edomite) Antipater by the Roman General Pompey in about 60 BC. Antipater's son, Herod the Great, was later proclaimed "First King of the Jews" by the Roman Senate. The Sanhedrin of the Judahites hated and was at cross-purposes with Herod. His solution was to have the majority of the Sanhedrin murdered in 37 BC, and replaced by his people. Thus the Edomites took control of Judea and the religion of Judaism by force--just as they had been forcibly converted a century earlier by John Hyrcanus, the Maccabee.

These followers of Judaism and Mammon were neither Israelites nor followers of the Torah, but were Edomite followers of the Babylonian derived "Traditions of the Elders"(later to be written down as the Talmud). It is they to whom the writer of Revelations refers.

The Khazars from roughly 1200 years ago are the modern day ancestors of Zionists and the Rothschilds. This group of people were Pagans and only converted to Judaism in 740 a.d. This was for political purposes and not religious. So from the very beginning this group of Jews have never had the Jewish faith actually at the forefront of their objectives. Eventually their kingdom would be destroyed and most would scatter to Eastern Europe - Poland, Hungary, Romania, Germany etc. As you will notice with most Jews, they are of Eastern European origins. It is said that 90%+ are Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe.

Though the evidence is sketchy, it is said they come from the line of Togarmah who was the brother of Ashkenaz from the line of Japheth (Shem's brother). If this is the case and the claims of the Khazars are correct then this would make the modern day Jews non-semites and therefore the modern State of Israel is illegitimate because one of the laws of Judaism is never to let anyone out of the house of Israel rule over Israel.

So what we have today is an imposter who is making the prophecies come true. The Jews were banned from returning to the holyland until the Messiah returned. Taking that into consideration, the modern day Israel is the Antichrist because 1) the Messiah has not returned 2) Israel is not regulated by Jewish religious law 3) The rulers of modern day Israel are not Israelites 4) Palestinians are semites (Ishmaelites) and Israel kill them all the time.

If everything I said above can be proven to be correct, then it would make the Israeli government the most anti-semetic group of people in the world.

reply to post by Maigret


You make empty assertions, without the backing of any Bible quotes or any other sources, and I'm supposed to treat your rebuttal as factual?

The name 'Jesus' is Late Latin, i.o.w. circa 3rd to 7th centuries AD, so it was never used of him in his lifetime! It's the Catholic version, of the Greek Orthodox version 'Iesous', from the Hebrew original, 'Yeshua'.

John 3:18 says in effect, '..you are condemned already if you don't believe in the name of the Son of God' and Acts 4:12 states 'Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.', which only goes to show the spiritual damage being done by promoting the wrong name.

reply to post by jmdewey60


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The Antichrist who stands 'against', as an enemy of the true Messiah, also stands IN his place hiding the true Son of God from common view . . .

This is all fantasy because the Bible describes nothing like that.

The word 'antichrist' which is in the Bible, exactly describes this situation. The word 'anti' means 'against' and it also means 'in place of'. Thus 'antichrist' means 'in place of' who? Christ!

reply to post by zarp3333


Jesus never spoke of supporting Isreal did he?

Then why do you have to support Isreal?

reply to post by jmdewey60

There is no prophecy about a throne, at least in connection with an earthly kingdom ruled by Satan or some sort of antichrist.

Revelation 13:2 'And the Beast [from the sea] which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon [Satan*] gave him his power, and his throne, and great authority...'

In case you doubt that the reference to the 'dragon' above refers to Satan, this verse proves it. * Revelation 12:9 'And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world...'

[Those references to a 'Leopard, Bear and Lion' cross-match with three of the four kingdoms spoken of, in Daniel Chapter 7, etc.]

When I referred to 1,260 days in my post, you took it that I was speaking of the 70 weeks of Daniel, but 70 weeks is only 490 days.

In Daniel Chapter 7, the reference to 'time, times and half a time' is of each year being a 'time' = three and a half prophetic years [each of 360 days#], which is equal to 42 months, which is equal to 180 weeks, which is equal to 1,260 days. When you cross reference these instances mentioned in the Bible, you will get the cross-references referring to the Tribulation.

# Source: www.360calendar.com...

reply to post by 168617

If everything I said above can be proven to be correct, then it would make the Israeli government the most anti-semetic group of people in the world.

You are exactly right on this part.
You make a good argument for the identity of an antichrist, but I think it has devolved into a myth of its own, really, and has nothing to do with the original biblical intent.
But that is not to say that they can not be identified as antichrist in biblical terms, because they do fit, in terms of not accepting Jesus as the Messiah.

reply to post by Maigret

The name 'Jesus' is Late Latin, i.o.w. circa 3rd to 7th centuries AD, so it was never used of him in his lifetime! It's the Catholic version, of the Greek Orthodox version 'Iesous', from the Hebrew original, 'Yeshua'.

'Iesous' is not Greek Orthodox, it is Greek, which was the common language of the eastern Roman Empire of the time of Christ, including the Jewish Diaspora, which Jesus was part of, living in Egypt and gentile Galilee.

reply to post by Maigret

The word 'antichrist' which is in the Bible, exactly describes this situation. The word 'anti' means 'against' and it also means 'in place of'. Thus 'antichrist' means 'in place of' who? Christ!

That is some pretty twisted logic but still doesn't reinforce your fantasy scenario of a fake christ.
If there was such a thing, I would think the Bible would say so, but it doesn't.
It's just someone's imagination running wild to create this impossible situation in order to say that it must not have happened yet.
Well I feel sorry for anyone who buys into such nonsense.
The world as it is has enough evil to suffice, and we should be dealing with that instead of being scared into inaction by something we think is inevitable.

jmdewey60
reply to post by 168617

 

If everything I said above can be proven to be correct, then it would make the Israeli government the most anti-semetic group of people in the world.

You are exactly right on this part.
You make a good argument for the identity of an antichrist, but I think it has devolved into a myth of its own, really, and has nothing to do with the original biblical intent.
But that is not to say that they can not be identified as antichrist in biblical terms, because they do fit, in terms of not accepting Jesus as the Messiah.

But the original biblical intent also states that the Israelites were given the Holyland conditionally. The conditions were that they were righteous and righteous in the Bible is upholding the laws of God. This is another part that Zionists omitted on purpose. They believe the land is theirs regardless of what God said and also used the bible to claim Palestine but what they forgot is that the land was inherited to them only if they upheld the Jewish Law.

The last time Israel was destroyed, they were banned until the Messiah returned so if the Messiah hasn't returned (Which he hasn't), then any attempt to create a State of Israel is illegitimate regardless of their good intentions for the Jews. Even when Jesus was here he didn't rule from Jerusalem so this is something that continues until he apparently returns again.

reply to post by Maigret

Revelation 13:2 'And the Beast [from the sea] which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon [Satan*] gave him his power, and his throne, and great authority...'

It is being used as a figure of speech to mean power, not a literal throne.

In case you doubt that the reference to the 'dragon' above refers to Satan, this verse proves it. * Revelation 12:9 'And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world...'

John saw a dragon in vision.
It has certain attributes which fit those of the mythical entities so named.

In Daniel Chapter 7, the reference to 'time, times and half a time' is of each year being a 'time' = three and a half prophetic years [each of 360 days#], which is equal to 42 months, which is equal to 180 weeks, which is equal to 1,260 days. When you cross reference these instances mentioned in the Bible, you will get the cross-references referring to the Tribulation.

So then what does it have to do with chapter 9 and the abomination of desolation?

When you cross reference these instances mentioned in the Bible, you will get the cross-references referring to the Tribulation.

What?
That doesn't mean anything.
You need to try harder, at least show your steps of logic that gets you to your conclusion.
You make a big mash-up and expect that to back up your theory.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Not accepting Jesus as the Messiah is the kicker. Even the Muslims acknowledge that Jesus will return again so the only candidate that is left is the Jews. Too me, the current owners of Israel are the line of the Antichrist though the actual Antichrist has not shown himself to the world just yet.

reply to post by 168617

But the original biblical intent also states that the Israelites were given the Holyland conditionally. The conditions were that they were righteous and righteous in the Bible is upholding the laws of God. This is another part that Zionists omitted on purpose.

I think they just redefined what "holy" means, to the point that it is a natural attribute of someone of their race.
And other races are naturally just awful, so they seem righteous in comparison (in their own opinion).