New Testament Fairy Tales

reply to post by jiggerj


Maybe they should make Jesus into an action movie. Show zombie Jesus coming from the sky and zombies coming out of their graves and then Jesus being the leader of the zombies. Throw in some cool action movie, a guy who falls in love with some girl, and now we have a movie (and it would be completely Biblical) - but how unrealistic it is will also be evident.

reply to post by arpgme


Zombies, by appearance, will be prevalent during the end times....

AKJV Revelations 9:5,6
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he strikes a man. 6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

reply to post by jiggerj


you are attempting to dramatize something that should be a basic tenet for any thinking human. It is in contrast to not living in fear. Jesus taught alot about COMMANDING not to live in fear. He never taught not to work, you did/are in His place.
Are you attempting to teach fear as opposed to NOT worry about these things?
I pretty much live by trying to be prepared. I prepare for the worst and hope for the best. I DO NOT live in fear and I don't worry about things out of my control and I trust in Him that all that is needed has been provided. Nothing about this teaches laziness or that I am not to be diligent in living. It's about not living in fear. Fear is a tool that the enemy uses on the masses. Certainly you can see that, being a member of ats. I feel you are trying too hard to be smarter than scripture. You are looking to cut off your nose to spite your face in doing so. You missed out on wisdom teaching seeking to support fear porn in it's place as a default mechanism.
And if you do not understand that Yashayah conquered death that day you miss anything and everything about all of scripture especially the New Testament. If true, and I believe it to be so, that day many, MANY miraculous things happened along with reanimation of the dead as Yashayah was the first born into the resurrection. That was what it was all about, scripture from beginning to end. He gives life while the letter of the law only leads to death. Pentacost most assuredely confuses you as well. I just think you missed the boat and choose to curse those that didn't. We cannot help you discern. Maybe it's a simple gift and it is complex to you in it's simplicity? I mean, "Don't worry" as opposed to living in fear...wow!..What is so hard about that teaching? Is it a matter of simple discernment?

The problem with speaking in metaphors is that metaphors can be interpreted anyway people want to interpret them. if jesus was so wise he certainly would have known this.

By using metaphors , jesus was either not as wise as people think he was or he was being deliberatley evasive to avoid having to answer pointed questions that would prove him to be a fraud.

theorhetically jesus was here to deliver a message that was so important that our eternal souls depended on the message being delivered and understood by everyone, yet he delivered the message in such an evasive,confusing manner that most people still don`t understand what the message is.

all in all i would say that he completely failed as a messenger boy and if anyone loses their eternal soul then jesus has no one to blame for that except himself. i hope he is a better son of god than he is a messenger boy because he really screwed up the delivery of his last message.

reply to post by GoOfYFoOt


What about that whole thing about the dead rising from the graves to their zombie master Jesus?

reply to post by jiggerj


If you look into how the Gospels were put together it makes more sense. Mark is the earliest complete Gospel we have and focuses less on the miracles and supernatural aspects, the later the Gospel the greater the embellishment.

Jesus is very hit or miss on moral advice. On the one hand he tells you to love your enemies but in another verse he tells his followers that only those who love HIM more than their own families are worthy of him.

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26

Now admittedly the word hate isn't the best translation for the above verse. A version in the 10th chapter of Matthew has the more gentle translation:

“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

But still that's a pretty messed up thing for the son of God to say, the idea that he's going to be jealous if you happen to love your own family more than him. Especially in the context of modern Christianity, you don't even get to meet Jesus or hang out with him in person the way his disciples did, you have to love him more than your own family without ever having met him.

Also, the zombies rising from the grave in the verse you mentioned, it's often overlooked by Christians entirely. I honestly didn't know it was in the Bible at all until, in my late teens, I endeavored to read the entire thing from front to back. Consequently reading the entire Bible, and actually paying attention to what I was reading, began the downfall of my faith. The amount of cognitive dissonance present to believe this stuff is immense.

reply to post by MamaJ


MamaJ, you are so gifted in writing, I can literally "feel" what you write. A blessed scribe indeed. Thank you for all you do will do have done and are doing, it does indeed matter. YOU MATTER!

Wouldn't it be nice if we could live in a society which allows one total freedom of being "judged" in one form or another, it's still judgement, of how we live, what kind of car we drive, who we take care of, our decisions we make which go beyond the norm, our expressions of true meaning and the condition of love and loving another?

I wonder what you might see if you removed those external judgements and never compromised your perception of yourself against what you think others see you as? I wonder how much more free you would be to appreciate these gifts you have now to an even greater extent?

Well, unless you own a time machine, we cannot go back and teach ourselves that but in the thinking that all things are possible like the mustard seed moving a mountain, what if we do have a time machine, in the form of our memory, to go back and wipe those external negatives from our "value in reality" that our lives and ultimately we as ourselves have?

It is very possible and with knowing you are RIGHT or correct, know this also that if you ever should compromise this truth, you'll negate it as truth and it becomes as untruth and serves to diminish we as ourselves and what we KNOW the TRUTH is, for we have had it all along and only gave it away and never knew we have done it. A pound of flesh for a brief moment in time...but what if...?

reply to post by Tardacus


That's when we have parables to clarify the metaphor, but you'll need to use another method to see the whole truth or around it anyway...

literal + parabolic (study around parable) = third interpretation (truth)

when looking around you'll see other bits and pieces that you were not aware existed if you only looked in a linear line? right?

reply to post by manna2


Fear is of the devil, or negative, or ego, or any other thing which serves to diminish humanity or humanity's thinking and thoughts...it literally is a war or tribulation of ideologies...and those which are not could have and those who do will be hated due to their simplistic and truthful perspectives.

If you know the truth, and think why would someone attack it? Simple, anything other than the truth hates itself and the truth and it doesn't know, it just does it because it is the combination of all of those negatives culminating together which produces the whirlwind...

The miracle of this is that we CAN save everyone from this false ideology and we all could be changed in a split second...if we as ourselves decided to altogether.

WARNING:

You folks need to use the earliest version of the KJV bible for analyzing the scriptures. The new versions change or omit meanings which are very important for interpretation.

If you can go back to earlier versions of other texts other then the KJV, then do so, but don't use modern versions, they are incomplete and will waste your time...

You all better take heed, I wouldn't be mentioning this if it weren't important.

Originally posted by Tardacus
theorhetically jesus was here to deliver a message that was so important that our eternal souls depended on the message being delivered and understood by everyone, yet he delivered the message in such an evasive,confusing manner that most people still don`t understand what the message is.

Amazing, isn't it? He gave us EVERYTHING we need to find Him, without molesting free will. Without leaving a shred of proof, that would destroy the whole purpose of seeking Him out.

Can't you see that it is as much about the journey, as it is the destination? When you resolve your own issues, the meaning is pure. When you rely on others' speculations or choose not to seek your own answers, you not only fail Him, but you fail yourselves.

This wherein lies the Why! Of course He could have left us proof. But were God's plan common knowledge, there would be no reason for human life.

The question is not whether He exists, for even the greatest of all the angels, knows he does.
The question is, Why are we allowed this life, to discover for ourselves, the nature of God?

reply to post by GoOfYFoOt

The question is, Why are we allowed this life, to discover for ourselves, the nature of God?

There lies the problem. You THINK you've discovered the nature of Source. In reality, you've barely begun to decode the map that leads you to the puzzle...but your cypher is faulty.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by GoOfYFoOt

 

The question is, Why are we allowed this life, to discover for ourselves, the nature of God?

There lies the problem. You THINK you've discovered the nature of Source. In reality, you've barely begun to decode the map that leads you to the puzzle...but your cypher is faulty.

edit on 5-9-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

I'm honestly not sure what the heck you are talking about...
I have not discovered the nature of God. And, I've been at it for 40+ years. But I do know that is why I am here.

There is no map. Just like men and women, who can arrive at the same foregone conclusion, whilst taking two opposing paths to get there...There is no journey to the puzzle. We are the puzzle. And the pieces are all around us.
No...my cypher is my Heart. And, I'm not referring to the muscle in my chest. And, being powered by the Holy Ghost, it is Infallible, not faulty.

Oh sure, OP and many others are quick to belittle a belief system that comes with a full explanation of the created universe and the very existence of everything in it. Please account for your BS opinions and offer something better ? Surely you people have a better idea to offer everyone ? So level the playing field Jigger ? Tell us from all the many years you've existed and knowledge you've collected through your extensive experience ? However bare in mind that if one bit of it is hard to believe in the slightest way. I'm going to own you. .

I know you aren't just bashing with out having something far more sensible to offer. So lets hear it ?

Let's say that the oldest religious texts can be dated back about 8,000 years. Well, humans have been around for anywhere from 100,000 to 250,000 years. LONG before any biblical teachings. In order for mankind to have survived that long there had to be some kind of cooperation within tribes and between some tribes. They had to have understood that they couldn't go around killing themselves off, stealing from one another, and just all around take take take.

So how long have you been around OP ?



And don't you think the material in the Bible is a tad over the top to be fairy tales?

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by GoOfYFoOt

 

What about that whole thing about the dead rising from the graves to their zombie master Jesus?

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

You fail to differentiate. The "dead" in Christ no longer have their earthen bodies. What they are made of, defies logic.
Why do we constantly attempt to use our feeble temporary forms, to comprehend something so extraordinary?
Think with your heart, NOT your mind. For, it is the space between the synapses that define us. Not the grey matter on each end.

reply to post by randyvs

Oh sure, OP and many others are quick to belittle a belief system that comes with a full explanation of the created universe and the very existence of everything in it. Please account for your BS opinions and offer something better ? Surely you people have a better idea to offer everyone ?

The NT was entirely generated from the ingenious minds of the literary factions of the Flavian Family.

I began studying the two major works from this era, the New Testament and War of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, an adopted member of the imperial family; I determined how the D. S. Scrolls related to them. Certain events from the ministry of Jesus seem to closely parallel episodes from the military campaign of the Roman emperor Titus Flavius as he attempted to gain control of the rebellious Jews in Judea. My efforts to understand this relationship led me to uncover the amazing secret that "Jesus" was nothing more than a literary figment of imagination.

This imperial family, the Flavians, created Christianity, and, even more incredibly, they incorporated a skillful satire of the Jews in the Gospels and War of the Jews to inform posterity of this fact.

The Flavian authors of the Gospels used typology to create the impression that events from the lives of prior Hebrew prophets were types of events from Jesus' life. In doing so, they were trying to convince their readers that their story of Jesus was a continuation of the divine relationship that existed between the Hebrew prophets and God.

So, after 2,000 years of misunderstanding, a new meaning of the Gospels is revealed. Tough pill to swallow?

You betcha.

reply to post by randyvs

And don't you think the material in the Bible is a tad over the top to be fairy tales?

The only works to have survived this century of religious warfare, the Gospels and the histories of Josephus, had a pro-Roman perspective. In the case of Josephus' histories this is hardly surprising, as he was an adopted member of the imperial Flavian family. It is notable, however, that the New Testament also has a point of view positive to the Romans. The first century was not a time when one would expect that a Judaic cult with a viewpoint favorable to the Empire would have emerged. Yet the New Testament texts never portray Roman soldiers in a negative light, and actually describe them as "devout" and God-fearing.

That is a tad over the top.

Originally posted by GoOfYFoOt
Think with your heart, NOT your mind. For, it is the space between the synapses that define us. Not the grey matter on each end.

The "Space"... So we don't exist!?

I'm just joking...

I guess the reason I thought it would be physical dead people is because it said "rising from the grave", but maybe you are correct.

Originally posted by arpgme

Originally posted by GoOfYFoOt
Think with your heart, NOT your mind. For, it is the space between the synapses that define us. Not the grey matter on each end.

The "Space"... So we don't exist!?

I'm just joking...

I guess the reason I thought it would be physical dead people is because it said "rising from the grave", but maybe you are correct.

I know. It sounds funny, but ask your favorite neuro-surgeon to define the impulses between neurons, where the charges come from, and where it goes when we die, and watch his or her brilliance blow their own mind...
Also, look at what the current scientific theory is, on what outer space is actually made of. Based on the lastest calculations, all of the visible matter in the universe, is only a tiny fraction of what there should be...So...What exists in the part that looks like nothing? I'll give you a hint. It's the most powerful Force of all!

reply to post by LightBreeze


Cool, thanks for everything I didn't ask for.

I think my question might have more to do with the OT. Genesis ?