Why we don't need any more LOVE in one photograph, page 1

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Topic started on 4-9-2012 @ 03:05 PM by dontneedaname

and a few words....

The subject of seemingly every song ever written, many (most all?) movies - love of another, country, justice, etc..., and pursuit of -- which fills the time of many of us.

Love is a duality with many other dark emotions on the other side. Hate, anger, bitterness, loneliness, frustration, desperation,etc...(Witness behavior when someone falls out of love) Everyone has been on both sides to one degree or another.

--With parents, the opposite or same sex, friends,
-- Things we own [ I love this XXXX (gadget, piece of clothing, car, food), until it stops working, or is no longer fashionable, or makes us feel sick, etc...]
-- Places we've been to that have changed or the definition has changed [I love my country, but I don't love my government, all those democrats/republicans, etc...insert sub group of your choice]

For love is not a separate feeling per se, it is a composite of numerous feelings. Love is a way to describe a collection of feelings. Love is an idealization of a person/place/thing. And IDEA - LIZ / LIES - ation.

In words...LOVE = EVOL --> EVIL. Vowels are interchangeable. a,e,i,o,u

LOVE = AMOR in various other languages. AMOR spelled backwards is ROMA. Short for ROMAntic, ROMAnce, ROMAnticizing. So when we ROMAnticize the past for example, we imagine it to be "better" than it actually was, our mind having filtered out / suppressed the negative feelings. We have whirlwind ROMAnces which never last, for the idealization of another can never be sustained as reality sets in.

Even in non-ROMAnce languages there are clues to the meaning...but let's not go there right now.
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Post-2012 we shall learn of this dark side of love and realize there is a better alternative -- which is already pre-programmed into us as an instinctual behavior at our core. Generally -- just watch babies / young children interact....although that is being / has been corrupted to with all the chemicals in the food supply that have existed for more than a generation now....and other "corrupting influences" - both chemical and auditory / visual

Or look at the relationship between a mother and/ or father and their new born baby.

Some might think this is unconditional love, perhaps but if we are trying to be "unconditional" by using logic / rules, reasoning, conditioned actions --- this will not last. It must come from the heart, free of repressed feelings about the person in questions....in other words "authentic unconditional love" does not have a word, it just is.

A final thought -- [with 1 more photo]

There is a saying -- LOVE is BLIND.

So anything we are in LOVE with we are BLIND about....and many people (all?) are taught directly or indirectly that we should LOVE our-SELVES. Would that not make us BLIND about our-SELVES?

And that is (one reason) why MAYA = Illusion of the SELF!!!

....learning about SELF-deception will help unmask this illusion....

It will only take one person to fully break this illusion and reveal who WHEEE are at the very core...stay tuned.

WHEEEE.....WHEEEE.....WHEEEEE.....WHEEEE....I can fly......I can fly......

Just like the Birds and the BEes.....I can fly....just like the Birds and the BEes.....

How many UN-SELFish BEings will there be?

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reply posted on 4-9-2012 @ 09:41 PM by WanDash

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Super Cool!
I loved it!
I guess you don't need a name.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
Do agree --- I don't know that I've ever witnessed unconditional love.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 07:11 AM by Cancerwarrior

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People always put conditions on their love. Even if they won't admit it. My wife says she loves me unconditionally, but I bet if I beat her every day and called her foul names that would change. If you want to see true unconditional love, get Lab. Those are the most loyal loving creatures I have ever seen.

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 07:31 AM by artistpoet

In defense of Love:-

Each have so much love to give - an unconditional love - a lesson yet to be learnt where it is lacking.
I believe that we each feel a need to be loved, to be appreciated for who we are and not how we are seen by and judged by others.

Like the soul - Our perception of Love can be tainted by our experience of the lack of it.
So many say they love another - Yet is it love or is it that the other pleases their ego.

We all want to be loved for who we are and not what others want us to be.

Lack of real love is the problem. Selfish wants are not Love

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reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 07:42 AM by 3n19m470

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Yeah, if you beat on her then she won't love you... What a fake ass bitch! Her love is fake because it has all these annoying little "conditions" like requiring that you don't randomly explode into violent outbursts! What kind of crap is THAT??

OH, WAIT.... Well... I don't know what kind of issues are present in Your relationship, but, maybe there can be such thing as "unconditional love in Exchange for unconditional love". If you beat on her, then you no longer are showing her love, so why would she keep her end of the bargain after you've broken yours? People don't jist want to love... they want to BE loved. And what in the xxxx is wrong with that??? What you're missing here is that it takes TWO to love. Your little wifebeater scenario insists on a one way deal, requiring her to love you "no matter what you do", even if you don't love her... Rediculously extreme expectations.

There are relationships where a woman stays with and adores a man who beats her...but it sure as hell ain't love. Maybe what you're looking for is more of a slave or a victim... Not a wife or someone to SHARE love with. Two people can love eacbither "no matter what" as long as the love is given and received equally.... As soon as one stops giving, how is the other person able to continue giving something which has no constant supply??? You have to supply her with love in order for her to give it to you, and vice versa, and so on and so forth... It's basic economics!

If I give you food on a daily basis in Exchange for a few chores that I am unable to do myself, and one day I stop feeding you, will you be able to keep doing chores? No, you will run out of energy! Or you will find some other way to get food, which will require you to spend your time doing chores for someone else or otherwise taking up your time. And why would you continue working for me anyway after I stopped your pay?!?! Everything requires balance... There IS unconditional love, but it requires BOTH people to do it! DUH!!!! Are you stupid? Or just fed up with your wife and looking for an excuse to cheat or leave her? Maybe she doesn't deserve your love, I don't know... Or maybe you all are a bunch of psychopaths with this kind of talk!

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 08:08 AM by IandEye

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I've been thinking about this lately....when someone loves something, what they're really demonstrating is how much they're in love with themselves- the "something" is just an object used to show this love...like a mirror.
muslims say that christianity's pressure to love unconditionally all the time to everyone like god is ridiculous.

for me, love is understanding the suffering people are going through and to not contribute to any more suffering, which is probably also a ridiculous to some folks,

reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:24 PM by Cancerwarrior

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Hahahah easy there calm down killer, I've never laid a hand on my wife and we've been happily married for 12 years. Did you read the part in my post where I said " I bet if...." I don't think you are following what I'm trying to say. What I'm saying is, have you ever heard that expression its a thin line between love and hate? I'm sure you have at one time or another. Its very true. Have you ever had a girlfriend that you were so in love with then when you get dumped by her you want to make her hurt like you are? People put conditions on their love all the time my friend. I know mothers who have nothing to do with their sons because they keep breaking their heart. Brothers that have nothing to do with their siblings because of inheritance, on and on and on. Like I said, I've only seen one creature in this world that grants love unconditionally. And its not a person. If you don't believe me ask anyone thats ever had a Labrador retriever. Better yet, go to the pound and adopt one and experience it firsthand.

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reply posted on 5-9-2012 @ 03:32 PM by Unity_99

LOVE Is not evil. It means what it means, helping others, hugs, caring, patience, kindness, empathy, humility, gentleness, selflessness, equality, freedom, etc.

You are dealing with the English language code, put their by TPTB, who have very distorted ideas of the matrix/duality and what life is about. They think they are wolves/catalysts working for a two headed God.

You're dealing with a code. They're all around us, heaven means heavy. Planet means planned net. Many words mean Saturn and El, and El is Saturn in Caanite.

Frequency of sound and words creates as well, so it's also a spell.

But Love still means what we use it to mean ONLY, by the intention of our hearts. For those unaware of this, they aren't affected. That is the mistake of these dark magicians. They don't realize its all about Intentions Of Heart, and that the pit they dig for others, they alone fall in.

I do know about the negative code in words and RENOUNCE/DENOUNCE IT, with the intention of my heart.

Love, the definition of it given above, is the way out of this school.

You're trying to do a leap from actual words used, to actual meaning and trying to negate meaning based on the PTB manipulating words, whereas No Such Leap Can Happen.

And about the duality, they're very wrong in what its about.

Here is an earlier thread of mine on this subject:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
English Language, hidden codes in the matrix!,

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reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 02:34 PM by iwilliam

an interesting post, OP, but I think you are playing heavy semantics games without identifying as such.

You begin by saying we don't need more love, and then at the end you tell us what we do need... and I'm pretty sure you then go on to describe cases where emotions or acts of "love" might be evidenced.

In my opinion, your case would have been better stated as:

"In our modern society, and going back quite some number of centuries, the pure emotion of 'love' and the word itself have been bastardized, and made to be something they're not. What we normally think of as 'love' is a complex set of emotions and psycho-social conditioning, which has a seriously bi-polar dark side. On the other hand, 'pure love,' what some might call 'unconditional love,' but really is just 'love,' exists but is seemingly more rare. In our society it is more commonly seen in the way some parents care for their children, or the way young children will interact before their social programming kicks in."

That last statement, btw, would only be partly true. Some parents are horrendous to their kids (hence my careful wording there,) and furthermore, many young children act aggressively toward peers.

But aside from the covert semantics, I do kind of agree with the vibe of your post.

reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 02:46 PM by Kino321

i'm not sure you can just say vowel's are interchangable, and your origin's for the word 'roma' are quite far from the mark.

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reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 03:00 PM by linknumbernine

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Not sure if I understand this right, but you're saying LOVE is not as good as we think? LOVE is the most purest form of compassion and is THE ultimate energy in existence. LOVE for us has been pulling with it feelings of anger, rage, etc. that's NOT love. just some extra baggage that has hitched a ride on the back of it. We don't need more love, we need ONLY love. Its this misunderstanding that is keeping us from Ascension (as many people say). This post is a perfect example of the confusion and misunderstanding that people toady have..

Then again, nobody has to agree with me, because what credibility do I have?

The KEY, is to find yourself INSIDE. Forget about other peoples opinion and when YOU find the answers for yourself, then you will see the truth. I feel as if I am getting closer to my own personal ascension, and that is making me SO happy! LOVE and Light

Oh and there IS NO dark side of LOVE. There are dark things in this existence that may fool us into believing that LOVE can lead us astray. Yet another one that falls

I am not a strict bible reader, but I do know this quote: "Love is not merely one of God’s attributes; it is the essence of His nature. God is love." 1 John: 4:18. If God is stated to be perfect, then LOVE is perfect.

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reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 03:13 PM by NotAnAspie

Love for a child is some of the most conditional love of all. Think it aint? Then on the day your child is born I'm sure you will have no problems swapping it for another newborn. Both children go to a family because both children need love and everyone is happy.

I don't think so.

it disgusts me to no end to see people be inconsiderate and rude to other people's children and thinking their children are better simply because that is their child. I know of plenty of people who would have nothing to do with certain family members if they weren't family. It is largely about simple associations. I'm not saying family is not important because it is, but it's conditional.

Love is conditional... you might as well get used to it.

Try to show examples of unconditional love by having mercy on your enemies is a good lesson and good practice but A) You shouldn't lie about real feelings and B) You shouldn't punish yourself with your lies about your feelings.

Love absolutely has conditions and these dark things you speak of are totally separate from love. I'm not saying they can never be accepted alongside love but they are separate and should be worked through to the ideal fairness of all involved parties.

These conditions of love help people to strive to be better, to do what's right, to be a being worthy of love and to attempt to remove condition from it is a very cardboard idea in my opinion. We might as well just abandon all goodness and morality since we can all expect to be loved unconditionally no matter what kind of a turd floating in the pool one so happens to be.

Sorry, I can't help but to ask.

Is this some kind of measure one would suggest in order to not have to apologize for something they've done to someone else. A way to shirk some responsibility perhaps? cover up some personal indiscretions maybe?

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reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 03:21 PM by linknumbernine

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Im sorry but you may have mixed the words up. Love is UNconditional, if its conditional then its not love. Just simple affection. Real love has NO conditions.

reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 03:58 PM by NotAnAspie

Originally posted by linknumbernine
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Im sorry but you may have mixed the words up. Love is UNconditional, if its conditional then its not love. Just simple affection. Real love has NO conditions.

In your fairy tale world perhaps.

When you take a look around the real world, it's a different story. It's very clear. I didn't have to make it clear but I did and no friend, it was not a simple mix up of words. That should be clear.

Even Jesus said there were some he hated according to Revelations... as many as He loves as a matter of fact.

reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 04:16 PM by artistpoet

Originally posted by linknumbernine
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Im sorry but you may have mixed the words up. Love is UNconditional, if its conditional then its not love. Just simple affection. Real love has NO conditions.

Yes I agree - Though Love does fall into categories also.
But yes unconditional Love is as you say is Real Love as in it is a Universal Law that governs the Universe.

reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 04:33 PM by linknumbernine

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Where does it say that in the bible? Cite it please. That is the problem my friend. But I am not here to argue

I know for myself what LOVE is to ME, and we must all learn to see the world through and existential view

reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 04:34 PM by linknumbernine

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Exactly. If its CONdititional, then its not true love, as tends to be the problem with many things. ie relationships,etc. The real understanding and feeling of TRUE love is UNconditional

reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 07:51 PM by NotAnAspie

Originally posted by linknumbernine
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Where does it say that in the bible? Cite it please. That is the problem my friend. But I am not here to argue I know for myself what LOVE is to ME, and we must all learn to see the world through and existential view

It's in revelations... look for it.

You're confused about the existential approach to life. There are things one needs to accept about life's problems in order to be successful in dealing with life's crap and it's true, the bad only make the good look even better... but if you think that showing compassion to your enemy, showing them love so that they can learn from it is the same as putting up with their crap and being a great big honkin bullcrapper yourself about what you feel then stop complaining, stop contending, stop arguing... love it all, even this message and dig it.

Or you can just keep talking smack because it escapes you that it is very obvious to many that no one exercises unconditional love and you think this is being productive... and it isn't. As silly as it seems, I'm aware of your game. Don't make me break down the psychoanalysis of it.

There's too much going on in the world right now. There is fighting as we speak and no matter how much you may want to negate this, there is right and there is wrong.

I'm going to attempt to go read some more important things if you don't mind.
I just couldn't resist the urge of reminding you of your pointless endeavors.

reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 07:56 PM by all2human

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There is no such thing as a purely selfless act imo
All of our actions are motivated by our selfish nature.
even love..

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reply posted on 6-9-2012 @ 08:36 PM by iwilliam

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

Originally posted by linknumbernine
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Where does it say that in the bible? Cite it please. That is the problem my friend. But I am not here to argue I know for myself what LOVE is to ME, and we must all learn to see the world through and existential view

It's in revelations... look for it.

Above you state that Jesus said this. Jesus did not write the book of revelation. I'm not sure jesus is ever quoted as having spoken in revelation. If he is, it is in the form of a "vision" and not the "historical jesus speaking." Revelation was supposedly written quite a while after the death of Christ.

There is an important distinction here.

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