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The Last of the Good Presidents?

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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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As highlighted in the subject of my thread i pose the following question, who was the last "good" leader of the United States that everyone had some form of approval for?

As alluded to in another political thread, and thus the creation of this one, Clinton seems to be some peoples intial choice and i agree.

Clinton seemed to appeal to all, even if you did not exactly identify with his political platform or beliefs, good Ol'Bill seemed to have the charisma of a movie star with distinct style of leadership.

In my opinion, the recently elected presidents have been groomed to fill some kind of mold, that either appeals to one group or the other and damn the opposition.

Regardless of my personal beliefs, at what point in history did we stop seeing the good leaders take up the seat in the white house? or is it still good in your opinion? Please share freely.

Please note that this is not a thread for political figure bashing, but to help identify when people feel that the concerns of the nation and people were no longer being properly attended to.




posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:05 AM
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Ronald Reagan and Obama..



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:07 AM
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In my opinion, Ronald Reagan was the last good president. But that is just my opinion. I liked Clinton to a degree. Things were a lot better then with him, I will admit. I still remember paying 99 cents for a gallon of gas. I wish those times were still with us...



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:08 AM
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JFK DIED FOR THEIR SINS, The last real president.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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Calvin Coolidge... Yeah I said it. It's been down hill since FDR. He makes obama's warmongering and social programs look like Ron Paul was president.

Ever since then presidents have acted more like kings. Think before FDR we were isolationist, not to mention all the welfare programs.
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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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Reagan had quite a contrast to Carter, where Reagan was a no nonesense kind of guy and Carter wanting to offer restraint.

In my opinion though, Reagan was the beginning for political grooming by Corporate interests. Again just my opinion.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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Kennedy and Reagan were the last two decent presidents IMO. While I liked Clinton, I feel like he sort of just "got lucky" while he was in office and if any president is lucky enough not encounter any huge issues (like Clinton) then most people will see them in a better light.

I think it has always taken money and connections for someone to make it to the White House...but I think it was a bit easier for a more simple man to run and win a few decades back. Now you need to be filthy rich to even consider a bid and that IMO is exactly why we are in the shiite we are currently in. I think we would get a better field of candidates if the average joe could toss in his/her hat and actually have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

As a result we get presidents who are far out of touch with most of us. I only mention these things because I do feel that the end of great presidents probably did (sadly) end generations ago.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:17 AM
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I think many of them have good intentions and want to uphold their presented agenda during election process [COLOR=CYAN] like many other global leaders of the masses . But it seems once they get in something or someone they didn't expect begins to influence them. And they cannot back out from that point on. So the question many need to REALLY ask GLOBALLY is who is behind them influencing them if there is REAL interest in whats going on globally..

For all many know there may be global leaders from off EA*RTH or from inside EA*RTH who are to manage each RACE/RELIGION/LAND MASS and they may have orders to allow certain people advancement and control on others. This is one of the reasons I don't get all upset when I see a president or global leader/dictator elected who spoke one way but seemed guided another direction MAY BE OUT OF THEIR HANDS for the most part. I know waaaay outta box, but who knows with so many lies and deceit present here on this sphere.
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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:17 AM
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In my lifetime or when i started noticing politics and as a Canadian... i think Clinton and Obama.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Though i have qualms with the Kennedy dynasty, i think JFK truly was a caring president and handled his term in office very well.

It almost gives me goosebumps to think how things may have been different if JFK lived longer.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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I do agree with your comparison. I was not the biggest fan of Reagan bringing down the union with the airlines though. He was for limited government in a way that presidents after him were not, And I liked that stance.
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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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JFK and Ronald Reagan.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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I think many of them have good intentions and want to uphold their presented agenda during election process like many other global leaders of the masses . But it seems once they get in something or someone they didn't expect begins to influence them


Could not agree with you more. I to feel that every president nominee in some sense has genuine prospects for the good of the country. However, as you have alluded to, Corporate interests come a knocking to claim their "pound of flesh" as it were for any assistance in getting said President into office.

I think a lot of time now, it becomes a matter of lesser of two evils...



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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"Good" is a relative term.

Are they good simply for what they do for you personally?

Are they good for what they do for the country as a whole?

Are they good for the ideals they stand for and attempt to act upon?

Reagan was a decent President, but he did some things that still echo down thru time and was a catalyst for the corruption and greed we see destroying the middle class...sorry, it's true.

Bush Sr. was not so great...

Clinton was a good President if you look backwards, but at the time, people called him a socialist anti-christ with a perpetual boner...

Dubya wasn't a great President...he started two wars while simultaneously cutting taxes...no one does that...wars cost money. If the corporations wanted to get at those natural resources, they should have had to invest in it...not get a tax cut during troop deployment...insanity.

Obama isn't a great president either. I dislike his continuation of the Patriot act when it was up for renewal...he should have shot it down with the flick of a pen...but he didn't. He should have vetoed NDAA, but he didn't. He should have vetoed HR347, but he didn't. If he wanted socialized medicine, he should have went for socialized medicine. Telling me I have to buy a product (health insurance) from a private provider which assures their profitability and sustainability...doesn't make me happy.

R-money is not going to be any better. I can, on one hand, understand why people get so hopeful for a "business man" for President. Ross Perot was a business man and back then he warned of the damage that NAFTA would bring...and guess what? He was dead on correct. However, Romney is not the same kind of business man that Perot was. Romney's 'creative destruction" business method will not work for a country...unless he is planning on selling off loser states to the Chinese. Seriously. He hasn't stated his plans...he just says "trust me"....no...I think I want to hear the plan. Return to tariffs? I could get on board with that...but I doubt that pure logic will come about...the Globalists like bringing their cheap foreign made sh!t in our country without tariffs.

Bottom line is, when we look back across history at our former Presidents, we often forget the turmoil of the times. No President was "loved" during their time...it's only through the rose colored glasses of reflection do we see their good and forget their bad.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:32 AM
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I think people also need to realize that a president have to deal with screw ups of the last president.

So just because we are currently in this mess does not = the current presidents fall, its about what the current president is doing to make it better.

The war in Iraq/Afghanistan was started with bush, billions down the drain, and thousands of lives gone as well, when Obama comes as a president, the whole middle east problem becomes his as well, but what he could do is try to make it better.

People think when you get a new president, all the past problems reset or something?

Before deciding on a president, think about the previous 4-5 yrs and after 4-5 years of the presidents career.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:33 AM
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I agree



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:47 AM
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Wasn't JFK shot for standing up to them?

Has anyone not been a puppet since?



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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Great point.

Unfortunately it seems that the current presidents, sometimes through no fault of their own, are continually adding to these build up of issues for the suceeding President.

Will there be a personality strong enough to break the mold and start fixing the nation.?



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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Clinton is hugely overrated. Only got a second term because he worked with Republicans (unlike Obama).

His failure to do anything against terrorism led directly to the events of 9/11/01.

Ronald Reagan was the last great President. He was the complete package foreign policy and domestic policy. He had it all.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:56 AM
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Maybe Monica Lewinsky was just as effective as a sniper bullet to Clinton's time in office


Who knows if she was planted near Clinton, because someone knew Bill could not resist







 
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