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Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
The thing is when i was growing up in school they taught me we came from monkeys, nothing about common ancestors. I have taking this knowledge in, when people come off hostile how is one not supposed to look bad, it's a shame.
By the way, if our current universe was ALWAYS here forever, then space should be completely white with the light of the infinite number stars that must have ever existed. The photons of light from those infinite numbers of stars that must have existed in an infinitely old universe would still be reaching the Earth. That light would be literally everywhere; and the night sky would be bright with light -- not mostly black.
That's one easy way to know that our current universe was not always around.
Originally posted by blazingdefiance
as for saying if you believe in the big bang, then kill yourself? if everyone did that there would be alot less scientists arond, which would send us backwards.... a little harsh there man....
Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
4. You believe in the big bang? Kill yourself. It's just a THEORY, how would we know how the universe started? Plus it doesnt make sense, something can't be born from nothing, there was always something and there will always be something.
2. Evolution is a lie, it's only to give atheist something to believe. We came from monkeys so why are monkeys still here? When are they gonna turn into humans? Wheres the missing link? Monkeys can't talk, how did we change so drastically in such lil time?
3. We are biological computers, living machines. Right now we have technolgy to create life, we JUST got here. A civilization more advanced then us is sure to be playing god cause you know damn well we are. Why? CURIOSITY.
4. You believe in the big bang? Kill yourself. It's just a THEORY, how would we know how the universe started? Plus it doesnt make sense, something can't be born from nothing, there was always something and there will always be something.
Carbon has 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons.
Nitrogen is 7 protons, 7 electrons and 7 neutrons. Oxygen is 888. 777 is God's number in the Bible and 888 is Jesus is Greek Gematria. The Breath is the thing we use to speak the word. WORD is what we are made from in the form of an image created by TIME, SPACE, MATTER (DUST) AND ENERGY. We overcome the beast (Mankind) with the WORD.
Sounds great...right up until you realize that all life on planet earth is carbon-based. So...how do you know that "The Beast" isn't a field mouse or golden retriever puppies?
Yes...there are some really cool ideas out there about quantum mechanics and the origins of the universe. However the wandering desert nomads whose oral tradition was eventually recorded, compiled, and edited into "the bible" didn't even understand the mechanics of how rain fell to the ground or how disease was transmitted.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
4. You believe in the big bang? Kill yourself. It's just a THEORY, how would we know how the universe started? Plus it doesnt make sense, something can't be born from nothing, there was always something and there will always be something.
Christopher Hitchins, well known for his debates against god and religion, once stated that his daughter asked him how the universe got its start. If I remember correctly, he answered that all the matter in the universe came from a singularity that was no bigger than a ball (he said something along these lines). Then his daughter asked him what was outside of this ball. Christopher couldn't answer, and neither can I.
My opinion on the Big Bang - and it is just my opinion - is that when Hubble figured out that all of the galaxies in the universe originated from one point, he wasn't thinking BIG enough. If we could go to the furthest galaxy that we can see, and then use our telescopes to find the next furthest galaxy, and then go to that one and point our telescopes to find the next furthest galaxy, we could do this forever.
Point being, all of the galaxies in our KNOWN universe could very well have come from a point, but this "little' Bang would have only created our quadrant of the universe. We can't possibly know just how far out the universe goes, or how it possibly came into existence.
edit on 9/4/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by cconn487
Nobody knows the answers so why bother getting all worked up about it?
What are the UFOs waiting for? Pretty sure if they had bad intentions against us we would have been gone by now. We are probably quarantined from contact until we get our collective asses in gear and do something worthwhile.edit on 4-9-2012 by cconn487 because: (no reason given)
. We did not evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor, the last one being approximately 10 million years ago.
Originally posted by Druscilla
Evolution is a fact.
A prime example in this is the Peppered Moth.
How can a Moth show us anything about evolution?
Read the following which details Evolution in Action:
Peppered Moth Evolution
Darwin's evolution Moth chages ...
The evolution of the peppered moth over the last two hundred years has been studied in detail. Originally, the vast majority of peppered moths had light colouration, which according to theory,effectively camouflaged them against the light-coloured trees and lichens which they rested upon. However, because of widespread pollution during the Industrial Revolution in England, many of the lichens died out, and the trees that peppered moths rested on became blackened by soot, causing most of the light-coloured moths, or typica, to die off from predation. At the same time, the dark-coloured, or melanic, moths, carbonaria, flourished because of their ability to hide on the darkened trees.
Since then, with improved environmental standards, light-coloured peppered moths have again become common, but the dramatic change in the peppered moth's population has remained a subject of much interest and study, and has led to the coining of the term industrial melanism to refer to the genetic darkening of species in response to pollutants. As a result of the relatively simple and easy-to-understand circumstances of the adaptation, the peppered moth has become a common example used in attempting to explain or demonstrate natural selection.
The Peppered Moth with it's adaptation through natural selection in response to environmental pressures thus validates Evolution.
Besides the Peppered Moth exemplifying the process of Natural Selection in a 200 year span, we also have detailed progressions of species adaptations over time in the fossil record.
A fine example of this is the Evolution of the Horse
There are, of course, several other examples well documented in the record, such as the dog, whales, and many other animals we know and are familiar with today.
Those that wish to blind themselves to these glaringly obvious examples, or cling to fairy tale stories about The Devil burying all the fossils to fool mankind are welcome to do so, but, in doing so, you close off a whole universe of wonder and amazement for something as inanely simple as magical gods that just make things *poof* happen.
edit on 4-9-2012 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
I believe in something I can't explain, who am I to define god?
In matters of personal spirituality, you are your own pope. You can define speculative wishes however you want..be it God, the great artifical intelligence, the matrix, etc.
Doesn't mean I'm correct so why waste my time? Another problem with people is that they believe anything that's "scientifically proven" a lot of you are sheep. Bahhhhhhhh
By definition, believing something that's scientifically proven makes you right.
Originally posted by Ghost147
Is anyone else intensely afraid to see so many people even within the first page of this topic who are so uneducated when it comes to extremely simplistic, basic science?
Originally posted by gurudsmer
Ah the usual micro-evolution argument to back up macro-evolution.
Interesting how even though the peppered moth changed, it is still a moth.
Originally posted by gurudsmerHas there ever been documented proof or observation of an animal changing its kind? What about a tree? If not then mainstream evolution(macro-evolution) is not a scientific theory at all. Instead it is a lie. Everyone loves to use "the scientific theory is actually based off blah blah blah" excuse so I have a challenge. Use it in this instance. How can evolution within a kind, make it ok to assume that evolution can make a new kind? Find me observations, ect. Any data you can find to support this macro-evolution theory.
Originally posted by gurudsmerObviously I believe we were created by God, but I do not argue against micro-evolution. It should just be called adaptation though since an evolutionary change that resulted in a different kind cannot be proven. PERIOD.
Originally posted by gurudsmerInstead of flaming me or whatever, just prove me wrong. Otherwise don't bother with the usual ignorant posts.