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This is why I don't believe a "god" created us.

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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Yes we are complex to say the least. Evolution is complete bs. The big bang theory is laughable. It seems to me that the most likely reason for our existence is that we were created by more intelligent beings. Its funny that most people dont even give it a thought.




posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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Are you by any chance Kirk Cameron or one of his idiot "Duckadile" followers because that has to be on of the most ignorant opening posts I've read here on ATS and believe me (have faith) I have read some ignorent duckers.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen

Originally posted by NarcolepticBuddha
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Well, it's been a long time since I've studied this stuff in class. But I thought it was called junk DNA just because we didn't know what it did? To me, it could just be more untapped potential; we just haven't discovered its use.

I don't know to be honest, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I don't know because I haven't studied it well enough.


That untapped potential is what separates us from the "gods".


Why does it? Do you know if any other species on this planet also has 'junk' DNA, or are you just assuming it's humans.You seem to be parroting new age crap.

You are also reading the bible literally instead of a set of allegories, with some history (some birthlines described do allude to known characters and events) in the mix.Fundamentalists of any persuasion if it includes a religion or not are apt to do the same - in this very thread people have taken comments by David Wilcocks as credible..... I rest my case.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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I mean, if you really want to get technical, how would you describe a flurry of atoms without knowing what each individual particulate is named? I'd probably call it dust, star dust, at that. And, a semblance of atoms don't just equate to life, that passage is just referring to the essence most believe is the soul. Tons of atoms + soul = living man. Also, that quote said THE man not all men, should probably invest more time in selecting your quotes.

If there is another race of beings playing creator, like we are, but they're better at it than us, doesn't make them the God everyone is talking about.. It just makes them A creator, not The creator. At some point, thermodynamics can't have applied otherwise, our universe truly is infinite, and will always exist regardless what we do. And the concept that our universe isn't infinite is equally threatening. To me, it's a lot nicer to dream there's a God and a bikini lounge on some cloud somewhere than deal with either, the complexities, and implied impossibilities of an infinite universe, or the heartbreak of a finite universe.

Your other points are new-agey and hipster-ish.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
This thread is over, people leaving comments now haven't read the whole conversation.



Cant take the heat it seems!


Why repeat myself a million times to some think they know it alls who are criticizing my OPINION, I can care less cause i fueled debate. I'll consider that a win



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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I agree, This is due to my own encounters with orb ufos and have felt like they were watching us. I felt fear and afterwards amazement, with a very close encounter in which my eldest daughter shared,



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
This thread is over, people leaving comments now haven't read the whole conversation.



Cant take the heat it seems!


Why repeat myself a million times to some think they know it alls who are criticizing my OPINION, I can care less cause i fueled debate. I'll consider that a win


Now please remember what was said about how man evolved from a COMMON ANCESTOR and the difference between monkeys and apes, then you wont make the same mistake!



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
This thread is over, people leaving comments now haven't read the whole conversation.



Cant take the heat it seems!


Why repeat myself a million times to some think they know it alls who are criticizing my OPINION, I can care less cause i fueled debate. I'll consider that a win


Now please remember what was said about how man evolved from a COMMON ANCESTOR and the difference between monkeys and apes, then you wont make the same mistake!


The thing is when i was growing up in school they taught me we came from monkeys, nothing about common ancestors. I have taking this knowledge in, when people come off hostile how is one not supposed to look bad, it's a shame.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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It's the intolerance issue that gets me. How can something so all-knowing have so little understanding and compassion?

Why would something so all-knowing have so little compassion as to throw its creations into a fiery pit for all of eternity, over a design flaw that it could have fixed at any time?

That's just a small part of where my confusion comes from. From that example, you should be able to see where the rest of it comes from too.


If you're honestly confused, then take the time to pray and study about it. You will learn and understand if you just study. www.remnantofgod.org...



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
1. Look how they explain how man was created in the bible:
"Genesis 2:7 we read, And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.We are too complex to be the product of a magical god, or the product of dust for that matter, we seem more like a science project to me then anything."
How the [SNIP] did god create eve from adams rib? That makes no sense. Also the fact that Adam and eve

no one knows how Adam and Eve were created. but we all know that we have soul because of existence of true Dream. and we all know that our body is made up skillfuly by the same materials in the nature and especially soil. for example Iron and .... because when we all die then finally we will become part of soil !
bible has a history of mistranslations and the origin texts are hard to find. so do not be so strict about the words. for example "ribs" or "nose" or something like these.

were the FIRST AND ONLY at the time, they had kids who had kids who had kids, sooo we must be the product of incest according to the bible right?

no you are wrong. that was a marriage between brothers and sisters. but in Abrahamic religions such kind of marriage is forbidden. look at that this way: at the time of Adam and Eve this kind of marriage helped to generate the new generation but nowadays it is no need for that. and it is a sin because it will prevent new generations and genetic improvement.

2. Evolution is a lie, it's only to give atheist something to believe. We came from monkeys so why are monkeys still here? When are they gonna turn into humans? Wheres the missing link? Monkeys can't talk, how did we change so drastically in such lil time?



3. We are biological computers, living machines. Right now we have technolgy to create life, we JUST got here. A civilization more advanced then us is sure to be playing god cause you know damn well we are. Why? CURIOSITY.

if you really think that we can do anything or we know many things, it means that you do not know anything ! the questions of humanity are coming after other questions. humanity is far weak.

4. You believe in the big bang? Kill yourself. It's just a THEORY, how would we know how the universe started? Plus it doesnt make sense, something can't be born from nothing, there was always something and there will always be something.

what is that something !!!

5. I've seen UFOS in person, they exist, and they are watching, waiting, so prepare yourself.

yes USA spy drones are everywhere !
moreover for a belief in God you do not need Bible or Gospels your wisdom is enough !!!

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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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As per usual we have a poster who come with quotes from the bible and talk about evolution in a way that indicates that the poster hasn't read the bible and doesn't understand evolution.

First
There is just ONE sentence in the bible that sinks the whole idea of an omnipresent and all knowing god.

Genesis 3:9
"And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?"

Being all knowing he surely would have known. This is like a psychic wanting you to make an appointment.
The sentence should have been something like.

"And the Lord God called onto Adam, and said onto him, Come forth. Thou canst not hide. I see thine bare bum behind yonder bush".


Second
A huge number of people have seen UFO's.
UNIDENTIFIED being the key word. None of us have the knowledge af all the laws of nature. None of us knows every flying object or creature well enough to identify every flying object or creature.



Third
Some say that seeing is believing. Amongst UFO fans the sentence is rightfully changed to "Believing is seeing".
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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen

Originally posted by LastProphet527
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Your correct on every thing you mentioned...im speechless. Whats your zodiac sign. Gemini Sagittarius or Aquarius ?


Aqaurius O_o , so you must know we are moving into the age of the aqarius, I feel that's the reason for my newfound view of the world. Didn't really commit to radical thinking till around 11/11/11 of last year, creeps me out. I can't remember an exact date but it all started around that time.


Its only three signs in the zodiac that understands a lot of information that most other signs do not really understand. Aquarius, Gemini and Sagittarius are all air signs, so we get information from the winds and frequencies faster than most because we are air and we are all over the world. As I said, you are very correct in what you mentioned.

Lol…its evolutionary impossible for apes to live with their ancestor in the same time frame…it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that part out ‘evolution’.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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To deny evolution...is to deny the very nature of things. That is...on any typical earth type planet in our universe --- life will evolve --- reguardless of any God; and with luck...intelligent beings such as ourselves, along with a host of other creature's and plantlife.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by LastProphet527

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen

Originally posted by LastProphet527
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Your correct on every thing you mentioned...im speechless. Whats your zodiac sign. Gemini Sagittarius or Aquarius ?


Aqaurius O_o , so you must know we are moving into the age of the aqarius, I feel that's the reason for my newfound view of the world. Didn't really commit to radical thinking till around 11/11/11 of last year, creeps me out. I can't remember an exact date but it all started around that time.


Its only three signs in the zodiac that understands a lot of information that most other signs do not really understand. Aquarius, Gemini and Sagittarius are all air signs, so we get information from the winds and frequencies faster than most because we are air and we are all over the world. As I said, you are very correct in what you mentioned.

Lol…its evolutionary impossible for apes to live with their ancestor in the same time frame…it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that part out ‘evolution’.


Thankyou


This thread is proof people don't understand what an opinion is.

-My girl is a gemini, we have the same way of thinking.
"Question everything, believe nothing."
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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
1. Look how they explain how man was created in the bible:

"Genesis 2:7 we read, And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul."

We are too complex to be the product of a magical god, or the product of dust for that matter, we seem more like a science project to me then anything. How the [SNIP] did god create eve from adams rib? That makes no sense. Also the fact that Adam and eve were the FIRST AND ONLY at the time, they had kids who had kids who had kids, sooo we must be the product of incest according to the bible right?


If we are a science project, then couldn't the person who ran the science project (i.e., our "creator") be considered "God".

Personally, I believe we are a product of nature -- NOT artificially conceived/constructed by another intelligent being. Life in the universe evolved from organic compounds that -- after millions of years of chemical reactions -- stumbled upon reactions that would tend to duplicate themselves.

That being said, and even though I myself am not particularly religious, I know enough that most religious people do NOT take the bible literally. Oddly enough, my idea that live evolved naturally from organic compounds is pretty similar to saying that life come from dust.


2. Evolution is a lie, it's only to give atheist something to believe. We came from monkeys so why are monkeys still here? When are they gonna turn into humans? Wheres the missing link? Monkeys can't talk, how did we change so drastically in such lil time?

As others have pointed out, evolution does NOT say we came from monkeys. Rather, humans and Monkeys come from the same ancestor. Natural selection can be seen working today. It seems logical that natural selection, over many years, will cause a species to gradually change.


3. We are biological computers, living machines. Right now we have technolgy to create life, we JUST got here. A civilization more advanced then us is sure to be playing god cause you know damn well we are. Why? CURIOSITY.

So if this more advanced civilaization "playing" God is sufficiently advanced enough, wouldn't they seem to us to be the "Magical" God of the Bible.


4. You believe in the big bang? Kill yourself. It's just a THEORY, how would we know how the universe started?...

Right. It's just a theory. But I think it seems to be a good working theory at the moment (but why should I kill myself for beliving that
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...Plus it doesnt make sense, something can't be born from nothing, there was always something and there will always be something.

Even in the Big Bang Theory, there is room to have had something before the Big bang.

The Big Bang theory does NOT say that something came from nothing. If you think that, then you do not understand the theory. The Big Bang Theory does NOT explain where the original singularity came from. There are sub-hypotheses associated with the Big Bang that say that there was another universe before our current one started from the Big Bang. In fact, there could have been countless universes before ours. That idea of universes existing before our own CAN be consistent with the Big Bang Theory.

By the way, if our current universe was ALWAYS here forever, then space should be completely white with the light of the infinite number stars that must have ever existed. The photons of light from those infinite numbers of stars that must have existed in an infinitely old universe would still be reaching the Earth. That light would be literally everywhere; and the night sky would be bright with light -- not mostly black.

That's one easy way to know that our current universe was not always around.


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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen

Originally posted by LastProphet527

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen

Originally posted by LastProphet527
reply to post by iKnowWhatISeen
 
Your correct on every thing you mentioned...im speechless. Whats your zodiac sign. Gemini Sagittarius or Aquarius ?


Aqaurius O_o , so you must know we are moving into the age of the aqarius, I feel that's the reason for my newfound view of the world. Didn't really commit to radical thinking till around 11/11/11 of last year, creeps me out. I can't remember an exact date but it all started around that time.


Its only three signs in the zodiac that understands a lot of information that most other signs do not really understand. Aquarius, Gemini and Sagittarius are all air signs, so we get information from the winds and frequencies faster than most because we are air and we are all over the world. As I said, you are very correct in what you mentioned.

Lol…its evolutionary impossible for apes to live with their ancestor in the same time frame…it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that part out ‘evolution’.


Thankyou


This thread is proof people don't understand what an opinion is.

Air signs never talk in opinions; we talk in facts because our information is not of this realm. It’s a gift to understand information from…‘THEM’.

The only sign in the zodiac that might have the gift we do is the Pisces, and in some cases they know much more than us air signs do..
I’m a Gemini by the way.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 04:43 PM
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The bible was never meant to be taken literally. if we all were indeed descended from adam and eve, we all would have been mongaloid mutants long ago from all the inbreeding.
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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Tardacus
The bible was never meant to be taken literally. if we all were indeed descended from adam and eve, we all would have been mongaloid mutants long ago from all the inbreeding.
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I know that, and that's another point. Its brainwashing and deceiving the masses who don't understand that.

-why so secretive?

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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
The thing is when i was growing up in school they taught me we came from monkeys...

Ever ask yourself WHY?

" ...the real purposes of American education: to brainwash our children"


The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America - Documenting a 100 yr. silent war on education in the USA

Much of this book contains quotes from government documents detailing the real purposes of American education: * to use the schools to change America from a free, individual nation to a socialist, global "state," just one of many socialist states which will be subservient to the United Nations Charter, not the United States Constitution; * to brainwash our children, starting at birth, to reject individualism in favor of collectivism; * to reject high academic standards in favor of OBE/ISO 1400/90006 egalitarianism; * to reject truth and absolutes in favor of tolerance, situational ethics and consensus; * to reject American values in favor of internationalist values (globalism); * to reject freedom to choose one's career in favor of the totalitarian K-12 school-to-work/OBE process, aptly named "limited learning for lifelong labor,"7 coordinated through United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization.

Only when all children in public, private and home schools are robotized-and believe as one-will World Government be acceptable to citizens and able to be implemented without firing a shot. The attractive-sounding "choice" proposals will enable the globalist elite to achieve their goal: the robotization (brainwashing) of all Americans in order to gain their acceptance of lifelong education and workforce training-part of the world management system to achieve a new global feudalism. Full Post




posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
The thing is when i was growing up in school they taught me we came from monkeys...

Ever ask yourself WHY?

" ...the real purposes of American education: to brainwash our children"


The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America - Documenting a 100 yr. silent war on education in the USA

Much of this book contains quotes from government documents detailing the real purposes of American education: * to use the schools to change America from a free, individual nation to a socialist, global "state," just one of many socialist states which will be subservient to the United Nations Charter, not the United States Constitution; * to brainwash our children, starting at birth, to reject individualism in favor of collectivism; * to reject high academic standards in favor of OBE/ISO 1400/90006 egalitarianism; * to reject truth and absolutes in favor of tolerance, situational ethics and consensus; * to reject American values in favor of internationalist values (globalism); * to reject freedom to choose one's career in favor of the totalitarian K-12 school-to-work/OBE process, aptly named "limited learning for lifelong labor,"7 coordinated through United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization.

Only when all children in public, private and home schools are robotized-and believe as one-will World Government be acceptable to citizens and able to be implemented without firing a shot. The attractive-sounding "choice" proposals will enable the globalist elite to achieve their goal: the robotization (brainwashing) of all Americans in order to gain their acceptance of lifelong education and workforce training-part of the world management system to achieve a new global feudalism. Full Post



I already know this thanks.







 
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