Yup. He’s a Socialist....

Originally posted by Propulsion
I came across this YT video, and wanted to get your thoughts.

“A New Vision Of An America In Which Prosperity Is Shared”

Which Way, America?

(A) The way of the Founders/Framers
or
(B) The way of the EU/USSR/UN model

There’s no middle road.

I choose the way of the founding fathers...a government "by the people, for the people" and denounce the rule of oligarches like Sheldon Adelson or the Koch Family. Their authority is illigitmate.

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams

"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes."
Abraham Lincoln

And...Hey Mitt...where are your tax returns?

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them."

Patrick Henry, American colonial revolutionary

Obama's Democrat Platform cites U.S. Constitution only 3 times, while Romney's GOP Platform cites U.S. Constitution over 2 dozen times.

Constitution cited less in Dem platform By Pete Kasperowicz
thehill.com...

Originally posted by RELDDIR
Obama's Democrat Platform cites U.S. Constitution only 3 times, while Romney's GOP Platform cites U.S. Constitution over 2 dozen times.

Constitution cited less in Dem platform By Pete Kasperowicz
thehill.com...

You mean the GOP platform that Romney has already publicly disagreed with?

Did you also measure how many times each candidate said the word "God"...maybe you can choose that way?

BTW - The last GOP platform ...thier "Solemn Pledge" to the American people after taking the majority in congress? They kep 11 of 57 of those promises...
www.politifact.com...

So I guess I am asking...WTF are you talking about???

LOOK! LOOK!...The GOP say the word "Constitution" all the time...!!!

And the guy who talks the most smack at the bar must be the toughest man in the room!

Sorry...that was the silliest post I have seen in a while.

reply to post by Indigo5


Put your money where your mouth is. When Obamacare gets fully reigned in and you have to PAY, PLEASE DON'T OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND COMPLAIN.

Mixed economies are an Epic fail...tell me I am wrong and I'll give you fifty million reasons why you are wrong. It should be one type of economy and that's all. Globalization doesn't work unless one can find someone with enough ethics to NOT sell us out to china and India... which is impossible, therefore globalization=EPIC FAIL. Tell me I'm wrong then look to Detriot to see why you are wrong. Both Presidential candidates are socialist one would think in our favor, that is not the case they're socialists for dying corporations. Whom I would remind you should be left to their own devices and let them die. What everyone who starts this kind of thread is telling me is it's ok for socialist for the rich pigs and not ok for everyone else leave the hard workers to their own devices, let them die in the streets as long as GM is alive and well.

Obama keeps making speeches about redistribution. The business community in this country is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President. And until he's gone, everybody's going to be sitting on their thumbs.

I think you hit the nail on the head

Originally posted by Propulsion
Obama keeps making speeches about redistribution. The business community in this country is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President. And until he's gone, everybody's going to be sitting on their thumbs.

In scientific terms you wouldn't worry about what type of a system the US government is - be it Capitalist, Socialist or Facist.

The US Government has one scientific trait that makes the type of government irrelevant.

The US Government is and has been for a very long time functioning outside of it's established control limits.

Any system that is functioning outside of it's established control limits is by definition out of control.

So as citizens we have to decide which is scarier - the notion that our politicians are puppets in some greater game that is being controlled by TPTB

or....

the notion that our politicians and government are truly so screwed up that we are hopelessly out of control as a nation, plummeting towards some horrible end.

From a reality check standpoint those are two pretty bleak options.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by TerryMcGuire

 

Whats a real socilaist? Because last time I checked, only one party can declare a victory and if there are different kinds of socialists you all lose at your own game.

The socialist party wants free tax payer funder abortions and labor unions for prisoners, can you deal with that?

Nonsense.
Where did you check when you say you checked?
I imagine there are different kinds of socialists as there are different kinds of liberals and conservatives.
You say Obama wants tax payer funded abortions? Where has he ever said that?
Labor unions for prisoners? Where did you come up with that.

Also you say" you all lose at your own game". You imply that I am a socialist. You arrive at this conclusion because I state that Obama is NOT a socialist. Well neither am I by your very definition.

Do you somehow manage to brand anyone who tries to offer information that varies from your own as socialist?
You sound politically myopic to me.

Originally posted by freemarketsocialist
I knew who you were talking about.

I knew because I assumed you were one of the millions of Americans that do not understand socialism and parrot right wing hysteria.

Obama is no socialist. You are insulting socialists all over.

Does the SEP support Obama? No.

You're correct. He isn't a socialist. He's a fascist.

Obama isn't a socialist, he's a marxist.
Ever heard the saying, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree? Or like father, like son?

Also, black liberation theology has marxist roots.

reply to post by Propulsion


You mean the businesses that are not part of the good ol boys. I am pretty sure all of those "businesses" which make very generous donations to candidates will be exempt one way or another from anything detrimental that will come their way. If you are not part of the good ol boys then yes I would be worried.

Communists believe in the workers owning the means of production and keeping the profits for themselves. They believe in a classless and stateless society according to karl marx and joseph engels.

Socialism is the intermediary phase where the government NATIONALISES industry so that communism can be reached. We NEVER had communism in practice, only FULL SOCIALISM but some people called it communism. The soviets called it "union of soviet socialists republic". The chineese called it the "peoples republic of china".

In essance it can be argued that full socialism equates to communism, because a government NEEDS to run the nation from all angles. True communism as described by the communist manifesto is ANARCHY!

The right wingers should pull their heads out of the sand because it has been obvious that for years that they REALLY do NOT know what they are talking about. If you are going to criticise something, then AT LEAST make SURE you have an idea.

In america almost everything is in private hands. One could make a weak arguement we have a mixed economy, part socialism and part capitalism, but this has been MORE THE CASE in europe. Please stop making me repeat myself almost every day TO BASIC STUFF EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW!

I do not fear socialism. Only the rich and highely brainwashed do. You have no rights because big business STOLE THEM FROM YOU. Stop blaming the government every chance you get and try to be more balanced. The government is what people MAKE OF IT, but people are complacent then capitalism solidifies itself with consolidation. The bankers are scam artists that support capitalism. Only big business complains in america and they have the money to do something about it!

reply to post by Propulsion


Theres no surprise here, Americans elected a socialist to the whitehose, they've gotten just desserts.

Obama Lied About New Party Membership

Yup the liar in chief covered it up, so did all his lackeys and a very complicit media. Joe the plumber had it right and is vindicated.

Btw I fully agree Obamas version is much more in tune with national socialism.

My choice was and still is "A" but I seem to be in a minority.

You have no rights in socialist governments either.

Oh except that other people have more rights to your stuff than you do.

Originally posted by Phoenix
reply to post by Propulsion

 

Theres no surprise here, Americans elected a socialist to the whitehose, they've gotten just desserts.

Obama Lied About New Party Membership

Yup the liar in chief covered it up, so did all his lackeys and a very complicit media. Joe the plumber had it right and is vindicated.

Btw I fully agree Obamas version is much more in tune with national socialism.

My choice was and still is "A" but I seem to be in a minority.

National Socialism is when you combine a mixed economy with nationalistic pride. Hitler was a classic example of this.

Obama ENCOURAGES mexicans to cross the border everyday. He made A MOCKERY out of arizona state laws to send illegals back. Further he is a liberal, and liberals are moderate capitalists. There is NOTHING socialistic about his ideas. It is INSULTING to the REAL socialists such as myself to infer such outright bs.

The mistake most folks make is equating a welfare state(that all countries have anyway) to some form of socialism. Another mistake is thinking since the government bailed out big business that somehow that was socialism. No it is absolutely not the case. Socialist countries bail out NATIONAL industry, NOT private industry(trade on stock market or otherwise).

Originally posted by ldyserenity
Mixed economies are an Epic fail...tell me I am wrong and I'll give you fifty million reasons why you are wrong. It should be one type of economy and that's all. Globalization doesn't work unless one can find someone with enough ethics to NOT sell us out to china and India... which is impossible, therefore globalization=EPIC FAIL. Tell me I'm wrong then look to Detriot to see why you are wrong. Both Presidential candidates are socialist one would think in our favor, that is not the case they're socialists for dying corporations. Whom I would remind you should be left to their own devices and let them die. What everyone who starts this kind of thread is telling me is it's ok for socialist for the rich pigs and not ok for everyone else leave the hard workers to their own devices, let them die in the streets as long as GM is alive and well.

The problem in most political systems we have today is that the central banks are privately owned by big commercial bank stockholders who rig the system in their favor all the time. It is the reason for the austerity packages of the PIIGS in europe and merkel being an asshole. She is the puppet of the bankers and illuminati.

Change the central bank structure and see how fast things change. Sadely no one has the political will do implement such dramatic but much needed changes. Further a mixed economy where critical and big industry and infrastructure being nationalised means it exists for the betterment of the community/nation and financial efficiency comes second.

I would rather not have to pay exorbitant electric and water bills.

Originally posted by Propulsion
Obama keeps making speeches about redistribution. The business community in this country is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President. And until he's gone, everybody's going to be sitting on their thumbs.

Well I am a socialist and I don't agree with our taxation system at all. Those that have more dependants registered on their w-2 stub should pay more than those that less dependants.

Also the highest bracket starts too low, the percentage rate is too high and third there are too many loopholes that can be taken advantage of if you can afford a decent tax attorney. All you have to do is start some trust fund, a shell company to launder money from it or simply take a plane trip to some tax haven and open up an annonymous bank account.

The whole thing is a pathetic joke, where the middle class pays the bulk of the funds! Poor people can't afford to pay ANY TAXES cause they DON'T MAKE ENOUGH to survive. With so much outsourcing and insurance rates being exorbitant it is absolutely no wonder at all people resort to crime and end up locked up in some private prison or perpetually steal money that should be going to the invalids.

He should do something to prove he isn't socialist.

Something which would increase private businesses 100 fold.
Something like, oh I dunno, mandating that all Americans purchase health insurance!
Oh wait.........

Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by Propulsion

 

Give me a huge break....... This country is pathetic and weak on the backs of democrats wanting to feed the lazy masses who have kids for a living and those who are too lazy to work. I hate the two party system and I despise Mitt Romney but I also despise the democratic idiocy of taking care of other people. I think that is one thing the Republicans and Tea Party has got right. Take care of yourself you lazy bastards and if you can't take care of the kid yourself...... Don't have sex or pick a better intimate partner, the state isn't your baby's daddy you hoe.

That makes too much sense apparently. The thing that I don't get is why the right wing doesn't support abortion when there are already so many babies being born that can't be taken care of and grow up in broken homes and will end up being paid for by the state one way or another (welfare, jail perhaps). It's a double edged sword.