Yup. He’s a Socialist....

reply to post by Propulsion


Not really, socialism is far different from a corporate oligarchy.

It might be convenient to call Obama a socialist, but fact of the matter is there is nothing inherently bad about socialism and he is something far worse. There is not a name for what these people are creating.

Really you could call what we have "reverse socialism", or corporate ownership over the government. We have the exact opposite of socialism, why people keep calling Obama a "socialist" is beyond me. It's not like anybody has any control over what kind of cheeseburgers they try to stuff down our throats or how much we pay for our hip replacements.

Socialist? Hardly.

Bad? Yes.

"Socialism" would honestly be a step in the right direction as far as we're concerned.

reply to post by thehoneycomb

Actually no. All guerrilla tactics have worked on invading armies. Since I'm not invading you then you have nothing to defend against. Who is attacking you is the gov. Has from day one and you seem to be losing. They seem to have won your heart and soul. So much so that you don't even care to acknowledge it.

reply to post by RSF77


BS dude...

Have you ever read the socialist party platform? It might not be the platform or party you want, but its the one you are gonna get. Go to socilaistpartyusa.com and read. Its a bunch of bull crap painted with fake gold bull horns.

reply to post by daskakik


Well Im fixing on invading you.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by RSF77

 

BS dude...

Have you ever read the socialist party platform? It might not be the platform or party you want, but its the one you are gonna get. Go to socilaistpartyusa.com and read. Its a bunch of bull crap painted with fake gold bull horns.

Well, first of all I don't care about any "party platform", because they are pretty much all full of BS. I was talking about the definition of socialism not what TV wants you to believe it is.

Obama is far from socialist. That doesn't mean hes right, it just means hes on something a lot worse than what everybody thinks socialism is, if they even know what socialism is. (doubtful)

Everybody throws around the "socialism" word, nobody knows what the hell it is.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


You already have.

I was the spear head. I got all these kids turned on to MTV. You have to hold them till they turn on to VH1.

reply to post by RSF77


Uh yeah ok dude. Thats what u think til your kid goes up for abortion.

You F# people are doing yourselves no favors and when u do. Its sad and pathetic what you people are voting for. sad and pathetic. But even worse you put innocent lives in danger, and there are going to be reporcussions,

reply to post by thehoneycomb


You are not receiving what I am trying to get across at all.

I guess you must be under the impression I'm an Obama voter or something. If it makes you feel any better about whatever, I am more Republican leaning.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by ANOK

 

Redistribution of income isn't the only definition of course. Statism and Centralization of power is certainly another definition.

No actually it isn't. Socialism is simply worker ownership. Centralization, and all that, comes from a misunderstanding of what Marx said.

You always suggest that worker ownership is the true definition, yet no socialist country has ever operated without centralization of power. Lenin and Marx as much admitted that to enforce the system, there had to be an elite rulership, so basically it is bs when you pretend otherwise.

Because those countries were not socialist.

No, Marx did not say that at all. Marx wanted ultimately, like all socialists, a state free system with worker ownership. What is known as 'Marxism' was just one plan to replace capitalism with socialism, a political path. Not all socialists are Marxists. Libertarian socialists, anarchists, are socialists. They differ in their methods, political or direct action. There have been many different organizations of socialists with many different ideas and plans to form a socialist economy, that being one of worker ownership.

"Anarchism is stateless socialism" Mikhail Bakunin, Anarchist, and rival of Marx in the International Workingman’s Association (IWA) when they were both members. They differed only in their ideas of how to implement socialism. Marx wanting the political path and using the state, but a state ran by the workers, not the establishment and Bakunin wanting direct action and immediate change to socialism. Most socialists sided with Marx, as most people side with the political path to change today.

So no, socialism is an economic system and has nothing to do with the political path of a country. Ultimately socialism is state free, the transition period of state control of Marxism is not socialism, it is part of the Marxist political path to get to socialism. The ultimate goal of all socialists, Marxists, Anarchists, whatever is 'free association'...

In the anarchist, Marxist and socialist sense, free association (also called free association of producers or, as Marx often called it, community of freely associated individuals) is a kind of relation between individuals where there is no state, social class or authority, in a society that has abolished the private property of means of production. Once private property is abolished, individuals are no longer deprived of access to means of production so they can freely associate themselves (without social constraint) to produce and reproduce their own conditions of existence and fulfill their needs and desires....

Free association (communism and anarchism)

What happened in so called "socialist" countries was a bastardization of Marxism used to simply control. They did not have socialist economies, the state owns everything. State ownership is nationalism. If you actually read the Marx you think you are so against, you would know it calls it's transition state as nationalism, not socialism.

reply to post by RSF77


No judgement passed and my apologies.

reply to post by ANOK


Marxisms is bastardization and poison.

Deep inside I feel like maybe you feel like you want the same things that I do.

Only that, your train of thought has ruined and even terminated so many lives....it should come with a warning label.

You should think twice before posting the drivel....because even though I know deep inside you want to help people, you are not helping anyone. You are only hurting people.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


It's no problem, people get pretty heated on this forum every now and then. I would rather everyone just read my crap for what it is than attach a bias to it. Regardless, I wasn't lying to you.

I would go further with that but it would attract a horde of trolls.

reply to post by RSF77


Will do.

Luv ya

eta: ps have read a few and good stuff btw

Of course he is! He is also hitler, the antichrist, the beast 666, the terminator, RA, gargamel, megatron stalins clone, "insert bad guy"....

Originally posted by freemarketsocialist
Does the SEP support Obama? No.

Does the Communist Party USA? YES.

Communist Party USA Officially Endorses Barack Obama

Communist Party USA Official Website

A better and peaceful world is possible — a world where people and nature come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA.

Øbama is giving all of us a head-fake....sure he appears to support a Socialized government & society


but do not be terribly surprized... when one day... We will be shocked to see that Øbama is really a devout
Islamic follower... in particular: - Predicative or missionary Salafism

here's what that means:

SOURCE:

zawaya.magharebia.com...



= Predictive or missionary Salafism aiming for the latent Islamisation of society, as well as its purification and education. This movement advocates an apolitical, nonviolent vision of Islam or an organized lifestyle based on the fatwas, i.e. religious opinions, of Saudi scholars.

- Jihadist Salafism advocating direct, violent action, and claiming affiliation with al-Qaeda.

- The Liberation Party, “Hizb Tahrir”, campaigning for the re-establishment of the Caliphate and the overthrow of “infidel regimes”.

besides... just whom should be the hand-that-guides this 'sharing'...
according to the commander-in-chief, himself for the present...
that is until Sharia Law becomes the Law of the Land

for public consumtion he appears only to advocate the missionary branch of Salafism,
but secretely he embraces the Jihadist and Liberation sects of Salafism too.

the Socialist tag is just a front & means to an End, wake up gang

General Motors (Government Motors) and ACA (Obamacare), come on already....

Anyone that states that Obama is a Socialist is sheeple. They will believe anything fox "news" tells them. Obama has been the greatest friend Wall Street ever had. The solution that the OP implies? Lets give the international corporations even more power over us. What a weird definition of freedom!
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So Obama lowers taxes on the middle class and Romney wants to increase our taxes ( an average of $2,000) and Obama is a Socialist?
thinkprogress.org...

So, Obama increases private sector jobs and drastically cuts back on public sector jobs and therefore he is a Socialist? DUH! It is incredible the nonsense and bizarre logic that the sheeple will believe! Just keep repeating a lie and they will believe it. They will believe anything! Obama is a tax and spend liberal. Obama is a tax and spend liberal. * It is sad when people become zombies repeating a mantra and willingly give away their intellect and free will.



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* For those fox “news” enthusiasts, I am not saying that Obama is a tax and spend liberal. I am saying that that is the idiotic message that has been programmed into their brains.

reply to post by Propulsion


If the government continues to tilt the playing field toward the established rich and powerful, then we (the average people who've been getting screwed over for decades by the PTB on Wall Street) will eventually get fed up and destroy the entire economic infrastructure that the rich have used to get rich and stay rich.

Suit yourself if you favor the banana republic that the GOP is pushing for but don't crybaby over getting it all taken from you when the 98% of the entire nation finally decides that they've had it with you. Besides, its not as if you'll ever get anything more than the crumbs left for you by your corporate bosses. Hell, if Obama never succeeds in leveling out the playing field (which he probably won't) then when the sh*t does hit the fan, it'll be the low level shills (like you) who will be eaten alive while your bosses make for the borders with their bank accounts in the Caymans and Switzerland to pay for their new lives in exile.

Yup, you'll get your wish in the end. The complete obliteration of the American dream. All as a result of not even understanding the difference between Socialism and societal survival requirements in a 21st century world, where the folks that are getting screwed can easily see exactly what's happening to them. This isn't the 20th century anymore. You can't bullsh*t people into thinking what you want them to think anymore. The rigged system can't be hidden from the average person anymore. Obama knows this, and is trying to prevent a complete revolution from occurring. Maybe it'll be good if he fails. Maybe it'll be good to have the "low information" American voter reap what he's worked so had to sow.

It'll make for great YouTube anyway.

reply to post by Propulsion


Who is your money on though ...

Who will say 'ayes to left ' ?

The Referee?