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Yup. He’s a Socialist....

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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Obamacare does not help the "general population" by running up the debt providing health insurance to a few million. It will also not help the "general population" when the cost overruns become more apparent.
And it sure as heck doesn't help the middle class who can already barely afford insurance.
You are on the right track, as displayed in your 3 sentences above.
We need to go full circle , Remove Health Care for Profit.
Hospitals with returns of 40 cents on the dollar.
Drugs bought in the US for 10 bucks a pill, being bought for 25 cents in other countries.

Obama is not the bad guy, Healthcare and Insurance Companies are.
Re-direct your outrage to the proper channels.
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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:17 PM
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LA LA LA LA ... SOCIALIST! ... LA LA LA LA ... SOCIALIST FASCIST LIBERAL COMMIE BABY KILLER MUSLIM!!!! .... LA LA LA LA LA ............ FREEEEEE...DOOOOMMMM!!!! U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A.!!! LALALALA......


I think they have a name for these ^ people ^ : "Low Information Voter". (A 3rd grade civics text book contains a basic definition of socialism.)

Bush/Clinton/Bush/Bush/Obama/Romney?Obama? --- (what the world calls) "neo liberal" aka (in the u.s.) "neo conservative" aka "global capitalist"

NOT socialist.

Where do some people get their "meaning of words" conservapedia?



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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Removing health care "for profit" will give us communism. Obamacare already reeks with greater centralization and bureaucratic overhead.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Removing health care "for profit" will give us communism. Obamacare already reeks with greater centralization and bureaucratic overhead.
England is Communist, Canada, France , Norway..........You have an unrealistic fear of ISMs.

You have really got to turn off ATS for awhile, it can be healthy to take a break.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM
No, he is an astute student of socialism. He's just working within the current fascist/crony capitalism framework that was borne of the military-industrial complex. What needs to be done is the dismantling of the crony capitalist system, restoring it to a true capitalist one. We also need to make weapons and military hardware as they are needed, not continually crank them out so that wars have to be invented to expend that hardware to keep the MIC in business and the kickbacks to the crook politicians flowing.


There is no "true" capitalist system. It isn't even a system really. The term simply means the private ownership of the means of production. A term coined by the left. It has no rules, no morality. Private owners, be they individuals or groups of individuals, have to make profit. It is crony, it has always been crony. Regulate it to death and it will still not solve the problems capitalism causes.

By it's nature capitalism will have ups and downs, the business cycle of gain and bust. You can't 'fix' that cycle, it will happen regardless of what you do. The US has had a long up cycle, but of course the nature of capitalism is not to meet peoples needs but to make profit. Now we are in a global economy labour goes to cheaper markets overseas. Those markets are now in an up cycle, while we are in a down. This is how it will be, unless we replace capitalism with something better.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by OutonaLimb
reply to post by Propulsion
 


I have a sense that the video the OP posted may not be all that it seems.
They can do wonders with computer generated techologies these days.


Here is a still from the video. It's weird that his right eye would do that
when he turns his head. Some of his speech doesn't synchronise
with his mouth movements, and his face also looks distorted at different times
through-out the video.

Is it just a poor quality copy I am viewing, or is there more to it?

Hmm.

I never took that into consideration. I'm no video editing genius, but maybe someone could shed a little light on the subject. The quality isn't the best, and in saying so, sometimes the video can be out of sync with the audio. Just my opinion…



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Removing health care "for profit" will give us communism. Obamacare already reeks with greater centralization and bureaucratic overhead.


No it won't. Free health care is not socialism.

It should be correctly called 'national health care', as it is in the UK.

National Health Service

Why do people confuse nationalisation with socialism?


Nationalization (British English spelling nationalisation) is the process of taking an industry or assets into government ownership by a national government or state.[1] Nationalization usually refers to private assets, but may also mean assets owned by lower levels of government, such as municipalities, being transferred to the public sector to be operated and owned by the state. The opposite of nationalization is usually privatization or de-nationalization, but may also be municipalization.


Nationalization

Did you all miss that day at school, or do they not teach this anymore?

Is it the word social that confuses people? Social is not short for socialism.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Removing health care "for profit" will give us communism. Obamacare already reeks with greater centralization and bureaucratic overhead.
England is Communist, Canada, France , Norway..........You have an unrealistic fear of ISMs.

You have really got to turn off ATS for awhile, it can be healthy to take a break.


Are you telling me that England has all products associated with it's healthcare system produced by the State? That would mean that the hospitals and clinics do not purchase any product from a "for profit" business.
?

Or perhaps the State will offer to purchase items at a cost below the retail price. Again that will be a communist operation.

Perhaps you mean that the State uses items purchased through subsidies. Or perhaps you meant that all the doctors and nurses are paid their wages by the taxpayers and not by "for profit" hospitals. If that is what you meant, that is also on the way to a communist State, and I guarantee that is where Obamacare is headed.

Also, tell me why you think the State is obligated to pay for contraceptives? Because that is the angle the DNC is taking. I can tell you that depopulation is on the agenda. If it were not so, Obama would never have appointed John Holdren as his science czar.


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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Removing health care "for profit" will give us communism. Obamacare already reeks with greater centralization and bureaucratic overhead.


No it won't. Free health care is not socialism.

It should be correctly called 'national health care', as it is in the UK.

National Health Service

Why do people confuse nationalisation with socialism?


Nationalization (British English spelling nationalisation) is the process of taking an industry or assets into government ownership by a national government or state.[1] Nationalization usually refers to private assets, but may also mean assets owned by lower levels of government, such as municipalities, being transferred to the public sector to be operated and owned by the state. The opposite of nationalization is usually privatization or de-nationalization, but may also be municipalization.


Nationalization

Did you all miss that day at school, or do they not teach this anymore?

Is it the word social that confuses people? Social is not short for socialism.


You are correct that the term "nationalized" is an alternative term, but why in the world would you suggest it is not socialism? It is not free though really. Someone has to pay for it, whether it be the taxpayers through taxes, or by personnel giving of their services.
If someone came up to you and said would you be a nurse for free? What would you say? If the state pays for the services, what do they pay with ? Taxpayers money. So you see it is not free. None of the supplies produced, such as bandages, pharmaceuticals, hospital beds, x-ray machines can be produced without an associated cost of materials.
Do you even know the basics of economic principles?

Since you apparently don't, it's more proof that the people who advocate for socialist healthcare expect to have free stuff. The fact that you even used the term "free" shows you do not understand what you are talking about. Nothing in this world is for free. Even the energy expended in volunteerism is not "free". It is still someone's time and energy.

And no I didn't miss that day in school because they didn't teach it in school then. Maybe they do now being that Marxism is ever more present in the schools and universities.

By the way, you do understand what National Socialism is don't you?

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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Why haven’t we seen Barry’s COLUMBIA TRANSCRIPTS? Why does no one remember him? Was he actually attending school? Or sitting at the knee of CLOWARD and PIVEN.

American Thinker

One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.

I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent – the failure is deliberate. Don’t laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.

The Strategy was first elucidated in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation magazine by a pair of radical socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. David Horowitz summarizes it as:

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The “Cloward-Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

Cloward and Piven were inspired by radical organizer [and Hillary Clinton mentor] Saul Alinsky:

“Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules,” Alinsky wrote in his 1989 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system’s failure to “live up” to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist “rule book” with a socialist one. (Courtesy Discover the Networks.org)


As a Community Organizer, Barry taught Alinsky methods (you know the stuff Alinsky DEDICATED TO LUCIFER – that’s the sorry truth) – he was especially good at it, it was said…

No surprise there. We all must have our gifts.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Well I have been having these conversations with this same group of people over and over in these various threads and none of you "socialist, marxist whatevers" you want to call yourselves ca g et your stories straight.


I have been told just this week by some of you that you believe in Marxist socialism not just socialism and that you think socialism is only the ownership by the means of production by the workers...it's all BS you don't even know what you are fighting for...it's just so cool to bash capitalism or it's because you're lazy and want someone else's cut.....plain and simple.

Here it is right from Marx.....


“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need”



Under private property ... Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an extension of the realm of the alien powers to which man is subjected, and every new product represents a new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual plundering.



Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things.



The slave frees himself when, of all the relations of private property, he abolishes only the relation of slavery and thereby becomes a proletarian; the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general.


www.marxists.org...

I could keep quoting but I think this makes my point.....marxism is the road to communism using socialism as the bridge....nice slow baby steps so as not to alert the population. The final outcome is to abolish private property and try for some pie in the sky commune living utopia which has never and will never work. Especially in a country where private property and freedom are the keystones of our lives.


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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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Ever Heard of Drone Strikes, try hiding in a tree, they'll take the whole block out for one target



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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"They" understand that if they socialize the 1% of American money for the 99% of America, soon after that they will have to socialize 4% of their World money to 96% of the World.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by ANOK
 


Well I have been having these conversations with this same group of people over and over in these various threads and none of you "socialist, marxist whatevers" you want to call yourselves ca g et your stories straight.


I have been told just this week by some of you that you believe in Marxist socialism not just socialism and that you think socialism is only the ownership by the means of production by the workers...it's all BS you don't even know what you are fighting for...it's just so cool to bash capitalism or it's because you're lazy and want someone else's cut.....plain and simple.

Here it is right from Marx.....


“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need”



Under private property ... Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an extension of the realm of the alien powers to which man is subjected, and every new product represents a new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual plundering.



Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things.



The slave frees himself when, of all the relations of private property, he abolishes only the relation of slavery and thereby becomes a proletarian; the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general.


www.marxists.org...

I could keep quoting but I think this makes my point.....marxism is the road to communism using socialism as the bridge....nice slow baby steps so as not to alert the population. The final outcome is to abolish private property and try for some pie in the sky commune living utopia which has never and will never work. Especially in a country where private property and freedom are the keystones of our lives.


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posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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No mention of GOD from DNC Platform.

Exclusive: Democrats Drop 'God' From Party Platform by David Brody
blogs.cbn.com...



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

OBamacare will not improve the actual care of the "general population" and you will see when things begin to look more like Cuba. Cuba representes that which the socialists of this country seem to aspire to.


Are you aware of the cuban blockade? The cubans were very resilient people to go through such hell. A hell not brought about by castro but by UN, europe and america. The same people targeting north korea and iran now as well.



People already get medical care regardless and it's the best care high tech has to offer, and who already pays for it when they can't? Why you do, already.


You mean state welfare? I heard if you don't qualify for that, yet at the same time have no insurance they take you to court and garnish your weekly/monthly pay checks or can sell your personal belongings to recoup their funds.

HMOs and virtually all types of insurance is a racket, hence why the state should get involved. Perhaps then the private companies will lower their rates after medicine and hospital fees go down. When you buy anything in bulk you get a better rate. Ask home depot and walmart!



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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That Castro mayor of San Antonio said the word God in his speech. He also used the term "forward" and so did Michelle O. However, I couldn't stomach all of Michelle's speech. Sorry, had to leave before she finished...



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by Mkoll
You're right. Obama isn't a socialist.

He does things more along the lines of fascism, really.


This is absolutely true, as it is of our presidents for decades now. It pains me that so many American Citizens are ignorant of this fact - and ATS members, at that, whom I consider to be far more well-read than the average person.

Do people not read, or learn from talking with others anymore, amd instead just pick up all their knowledge from bloggers and radio hosts who don't know the first thing about forms of government, and what is going on in the world around them? Seriously, anyone who calls Obama a Socialist is an embarassment to members of the human race who consider themselves to be sentient beings. Call him a fascist, or at the very least a blend of fascism and socialism, but a Socialist wouldn't overwhelmingly support fascism, as Reagan, Bush, Bush II, Clinton, amd Obama have. They have REALLY pulled the wool over the eyes of far too many of us. It's sad, really.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
No mention of GOD from DNC Platform.

Exclusive: Democrats Drop 'God' From Party Platform by David Brody
blogs.cbn.com...


Thank God. I'm a Christian, and I hate the way the GOP tries to insert their twisted version of Christianity into our governance, thinking that because their local snake-charmer pastor told them something it makes it ok to violate the Constitution.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK

Why do people confuse nationalisation with socialism?


Because socialism is the nationalisation of industry, so that eventually the workers can own the means of production in a classless and stateless utopian make-believe society known as communism.

The way communism is described in the communist manifesto sounds eerily similar to anarchy. Yet we were told russia and china were communist, eventhough the soviet union officially called itself socialist.

Textbook communism is a pipe dream. Socialism can be a reality. I guess the native american tribes know a thing or two about communism...everything for the benefit of their community! Take this to a much larger scale and you get chaos.

The problem is we have not learned to sequester the elite and effectively prevent them from interferring in society. Maybe that is why they have masonry and other secret societies: to infiltrate any government and corrupt it surreptitiously.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Removing health care "for profit" will give us communism. Obamacare already reeks with greater centralization and bureaucratic overhead.


No it won't. Free health care is not socialism.

It should be correctly called 'national health care', as it is in the UK.

National Health Service

Why do people confuse nationalisation with socialism?


Nationalization (British English spelling nationalisation) is the process of taking an industry or assets into government ownership by a national government or state.[1] Nationalization usually refers to private assets, but may also mean assets owned by lower levels of government, such as municipalities, being transferred to the public sector to be operated and owned by the state. The opposite of nationalization is usually privatization or de-nationalization, but may also be municipalization.


Nationalization

Did you all miss that day at school, or do they not teach this anymore?

Is it the word social that confuses people? Social is not short for socialism.


Pretty cocky for someone talking out of their as$.

Nationalism is most definitely a type of socialism. Public ownership of the means of production is the very definition of socialism. Nationalizing any enterprise is the process of socializing the economy.

Hence national healthcare is a socialist policy.




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