Yup. He’s a Socialist....

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by MegaMind

Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
reply to post by Propulsion

 

I just WISH he was a Socialist. America needs to be a Socialist Nation. Socialist nations have the highest standard of living.

In about 6 months that statement will be totally false ...

can you say ... all together now ...

austerity

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Why do you think austerity is required? It is because these countries can no longer afford to pay for programs that are getting them into debt. It's so very simple. It's like maxxing out your credit cards till you can't even pay the minimum and the interest keeps piling up.

Yes that is partly true ...

but also ... because they let the bankers screw them over and because they let their governments screw them over. Wake up people. Corporations and Governments work to keep you enslaved and dependent on the "system" whatever label you want to give it. They make all kinds of promises but it really just comes down to giving them the fruit of all your labor ...

of all the "isms" at their root there is really only one kind ....

Elitism

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Agreed, the bankers are the ones making the profit.

The World Bank is partnering with lots of countries, including Greece

web.worldbank.org...:20239856~hlPK:478802~menuPK:391218~pagePK:141137~piPK:217854~ theSitePK:391212,00.html


And pleae note the volume of lending to Egypt in 2010

www.worldbank.org...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by MegaMind

Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
reply to post by Propulsion

 

I just WISH he was a Socialist. America needs to be a Socialist Nation. Socialist nations have the highest standard of living.

In about 6 months that statement will be totally false ...

can you say ... all together now ...

austerity

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Why do you think austerity is required? It is because these countries can no longer afford to pay for programs that are getting them into debt. It's so very simple. It's like maxxing out your credit cards till you can't even pay the minimum and the interest keeps piling up. And eventually the socialists run out of other people's money to spend. CLASSIC

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Margaret Thatcher said the same bullcrap. She along with Ronald Reagan destroyed america with pseudo-capitalism. Remember leveraged buyouts and the star wars program? The first consolidated the wealth into few hands and with every down spiral the weaker firms are bought-out by the stronger firms. Reagan basically said you can borrow as much money as you want to effect a hostile takeover. Star wars cost america trillions of dollars in black budget spending. Then came bush with his false flag 9-11 zionist perpetrated stunt that killed several thousand americans in mass genocide, the DHS and all the other totally unnecessary red tape.

Republicans hate big government except in terms of DOD spending. The sky is the limit in that regard.

In relation to capital the wealthy have had a choke hold for ever and ever. You really do not know what you are talking about or like to purposefully misinform people.



The rothschilds alone are said to have HALF THE WORLDS MONEY SUPPLY!

Nevermind all the other wealthy families, many of which are the royals.

Mixed economy socialism is the answer. Some things should be private and some should be public.

Did you really think all the money ever printed in america DISSAPPEARED?

A true Socialist would kick you in the small shorts for this...

He has kept the same party line his predecessor did and is the most right of left I have ever seen!

Next you will scream just wait just wait till he is in for 4 more years! Ok so what vote him out? With what Willard the Rat? No thanks, I remember those 8 YEARS before AND THOSE 2 WARS WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR!!!

Where is my share of the Oil from Iraq? Why didn't we learn from the Russians? Hmmm?

The funny thing is, it doesn't matter if business owners pay 15% and the middle class pays 35%, the business owners pay 35% and the middle class pays 35% or the business owners pay 50% and the middle class pays 35%. It will do nothing to fix our problem in this country. We're fighting wars that need to end, piling up trillions of dollars in debt in the process. We're handing out disgusting amounts of money to welfare recipients who don't deserve a dime of it. Fools with four kids and four baby daddies. Illegal immigrants who get to live better than someone with a regular 9-5 job.

What is wrong with a fair system?! Where we all pay the same tax rate, regardless of income or class? Maybe just eliminate it completely? There's a group of people that are hell bent on punishing the people who work harder for there money just because they think its right. There's a local apple orchard that has been a family business for years not far from me, and the owner just made a statement not long ago that he would be out of business pretty soon because of the massive amount of new regulations being placed on his business. People everywhere are blaming the "rich" people for there problems, well i'm sorry but they're not. Your government is the problem. They have no place in the free market. This country was founded on the belief of everyone starting out with equal opportunity, and the end result is what you make of it. It would seem that some lately are determined to see us all end up at the same destination, regardless of effort.

Believe me, there is nothing fair about this world today, and both sides have played a big part in that.

Originally posted by trekwebmaster
In that same vein you're all occultists, you see only a few points of the circle when in fact, there are 360 degrees of points.

Great examples of Ad Hominem Fallacies. You do not use logic, only first principle of belief which cannot be proven logically, you don't support your argument with valid premisses, and what makes this so bad is that you generalize everything just because of your narrow mindedness and inability to consider multiple topics when seen together paint a different picture than what you keep preaching to be fasism. Get real, dumbnuts, you're already in a fascist country and don't even realize it.

You're false ideologies combined with lacking attention to detail on many topics only gives you the ability to yell fire in a theater not realizing if you do so you are going to be trampled by the many who run in fear trying to find the door out.

You folks better start using your brains to think instead of your rhetoric or your false egos, because you're all wrong. You sit there and judge a person to be what ever you want, and do not realize the best way to do the job would be to judge the fruit of the tree being good or not. Exactly the kind of thinking that got us in this shape...and I can logically deduce that Republicans are in fact an idiot tree by their idiot fruit they produce, by not working as a team and generalizing partisanship instead of focusing on the target which is the problem. Open your minds people and stop being brain-damaged ideologues of fallacy.

Thank you for saying what my idiot brain could not.

So what do you prefer? Sociopaths promoting despotic fascism along the lines of Ayn Rand? Modern feudalism where a rich elite laud over us and view us as landless slaves? How is THAT any better than socialism?

Originally posted by Propulsion
So I have to ask the question first…'How many of you knew "who" I was talking about when you first saw the headline to this thread'?

If it was Obama, could you please explain why?

Onto the thread…

I came across this YT video, and wanted to get your thoughts.

“A New Vision Of An America In Which Prosperity Is Shared”

Which Way, America?

(A) The way of the Founders/Framers
or
(B) The way of the EU/USSR/UN model

There’s no middle road.

Under (A) rights are inalienable, inherent in simply existing. Government exists, with the consent of the governed, solely to protect those rights.

Under (B) rights are “granted” by government which exists unto itself regardless of the consent of the governed, acting as the final arbiter. Here, what government “gives” can as easily be taken away.

Well, fellow Americans, which do you want, (A) or (B)?

Here’s a thought, how about if we go back to a vision of America in which prosperity is earned, No?

-Propulsion


Note: Did a search, could not find. Please remove mods if there's a dup..

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(B) is not just the way of the U.N. model, but the way of the U.N. itself

All you have to do is look at the in your face UN banner plastered across the .
screen every time you change page.
Unspin the news, my arse!

America is set to collapse later this year IMHO, and this is all (sub)liminal
messaging, predictive programming and smoke and mirrors.

Obama is an actor/plant, and everything he says is to further an age-old agenda.


You know who this is. (Upside down to make it easier to see).


I know who I see when the fake-up (face make-up) and prosthetics are removed.

The only difference between O~BAMA and O~SAMA is BS.

(The last thread I posted this picture in ~ about obama not being fit for presidency -
about 2-3 days ago - has vanished, as has any sign of my post, from my post history).

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This is the BEST pic of Obama-jad I've come across yet...

Originally posted by freemarketsocialist
I knew who you were talking about.

I knew because I assumed you were one of the millions of Americans that do not understand socialism and parrot right wing hysteria.

Obama is no socialist. You are insulting socialists all over.

Does the SEP support Obama? No.

post of the day!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


If you were to look at my prior postings on ATS you would find numerous references to the Rothschilds and their engines of war and war profiteering, references to Skull and Bones, and the agendas of other wealthy elites. I have posted on the left/right Hegelian dialectic and "conflict management" used by the Elites. I have never said I supported these wars.
Please stop trying to misrepresent my positions. However, Barack has deliberately tried to destroy anty edge we might have over Russia while at the same time taking us into Libya without Congressional approval. He has supported the overthrow of pro Western leaders in the Arab world. If you think that is not a military strategy giving our enemies the advantage you are sadly mistaken.

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I have a sense that the video the OP posted may not be all that it seems.
They can do wonders with computer generated techologies these days.


Here is a still from the video. It's weird that his right eye would do that
when he turns his head. Some of his speech doesn't synchronise
with his mouth movements, and his face also looks distorted at different times
through-out the video.

Is it just a poor quality copy I am viewing, or is there more to it?

Hmm.

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He presided over the biggest move to socialize medicine in the US since Medicare and SS. What were you expecting?

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Creepy, it almost looks like a composite of Obama and Bush. Is that my imagination?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

He presided over the biggest move to socialize medicine in the US since Medicare and SS. What were you expecting?

Someone had to do SOMETHING.

The system was broken, sick people were not getting proper care, people with injuries were living with the injuries.

Why are you so against US Citizens getting Healthier.

Originally posted by Mkoll
You're right. Obama isn't a socialist.

He does things more along the lines of fascism, really.

No, he is an astute student of socialism. He's just working within the current fascist/crony capitalism framework that was borne of the military-industrial complex. What needs to be done is the dismantling of the crony capitalist system, restoring it to a true capitalist one. We also need to make weapons and military hardware as they are needed, not continually crank them out so that wars have to be invented to expend that hardware to keep the MIC in business and the kickbacks to the crook politicians flowing.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

He presided over the biggest move to socialize medicine in the US since Medicare and SS. What were you expecting?

Someone had to do SOMETHING.

The system was broken, sick people were not getting proper care, people with injuries were living with the injuries.

Why are you so against US Citizens getting Healthier.

You failed to understand the purpose of my pointing out that Barack presided over the single biggest socialist move in the US since Medicare. This was in response to people suggesting he is not socialist. He is decidedly a radical left Hegelian but very tied in to the international capitalist/communist conspiracy we know as the NWO.
I am not against citizens getting healther, I am against a faulty way if instituting "social justice" by stealing people's hard earned money. You fail to understand the implications of it.

Also my view is that under the Draconian new regulations and bureaucratic Statism of Obamacare, rationing of health care under the guise of cost cutting will result in many many millions of people getting worse health care than before Obamacare was shoved down our collective throats in a most offensive manner.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by OutonaLimb

 

Creepy, it almost looks like a composite of Obama and Bush. Is that my imagination?

No it is not. There are other major anomalies present, as I have stated above.

Why is the background so non-descript? Ease of production?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus You fail to understand the implications of it.

So, let the General Population remain sick and injured, or the Big Bad NWO will eat us all.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus You fail to understand the implications of it.

So, let the General Population remain sick and injured, or the Big Bad NWO will eat us all.

Obamacare does not help the "general population" by running up the debt providing health insurance to a few million. It will also not help the "general population" when the cost overruns become more apparent. And it sure as heck doesn't help the middle class who can already barely afford insurance. OBamacare will not improve the actual care of the "general population" and you will see when things begin to look more like Cuba. Cuba representes that which the socialists of this country seem to aspire to.
People already get medical care regardless and it's the best care high tech has to offer, and who already pays for it when they can't? Why you do, already.

Even now Kathleen Sebelius in addressing the DNC just told the attendees that Barack does not think there should be vouchers. So then why'd his admin give them out to all his crony friends in the labor unions? If Obamacare is so great why did Unions want and need vouchers?
Pleae try and give me a coherent answer to that.