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Originally posted by DerekJR321
If a cop kills someone, such as in this situation... people say "hey the kid should have listened"... or "they want to make it home at the end of the day". And its basically swept under the rug. They fired because they feared for their lives and the person didn't comply. And they get off. No charges.
Let's reverse the situation. You have a cop being very aggressive towards you. He pulls his gun on you and he isn't listening to your side of the situation. You fear for your life and you too have a gun. You kill the cop.
Why is that homicide? Why is this any different?
The difference between 'legal' and 'illegal' = A badge.
Welcome to America.
Originally posted by ImaFungi
Why didnt the police kill all the hostages/victims to get the situation over with quicker and capture the bad guy?
Originally posted by felixjames20
They did know what the perp looked like, as when they turned up they where greeted with a guy with a gun. Surly when another guy came out not matching the description of the guy they seen when they arrived, then they shouldnt have gunned him down.
Originally posted by baruch60610
reply to post by Dragoon01
The one flaw I see in your argument is that you fail to apply these symptoms to the police, as well as to the criminals and victims. *Everyone* under severe stress is prone to these symptoms. Training doesn't eliminate them.
This is a tragedy, not a crime.
Originally posted by yourignoranceisbliss
Simple. Simple common sense apparently both you and those police lack. If you don't see a weapon you don't start shooting. It's called return fire. Saying they 'heard a shot' doesn't excuse them for not actually looking for a gun, especially when hostages are involved. The police are negligent in this case and should be held accountable.
Originally posted by buddha
This did not happen in the good old days!
the police need to stop hireing kids who traind on a play station.
kill ever thing you can see.
Originally posted by Kastogere
reply to post by Unity_99
IIRC the incident happend at night...in the dark.....no clear certainty if a weapon was present, hence they fired.
Originally posted by morningeagle
Also, why do the police have to shoot to kill? Why couldn't they just put one is his leg if they felt threatened? He was carrying no weapon.
Originally posted by FraggleRock
That is the main issue I have with current law enforcement. Society allows them to indiscriminately shoot to kill anyone at anytime and simply chalk up their mistakes as hazards of the job. Society has allowed citizens to become acceptable collateral damage. And the longer we allow law enforcement to do as they please with little to no consequences, the worse things will get. Situations like this one will become more regular and the body count will rise.
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by baruch60610
No one here seemed to find it important.
Cops take the job with it's inherent risks. Then when they are killed, they get a parade. Their victims don't.
What person of a racial or ethnic minority signs a deal saying that they expect to encounter danger?
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by baruch60610
ETA: You should be sorry, you don't have a clue where I live, where I have lived or what I have dealt with in my life.
Anyone that lives in the inner city experiences just as bad or worse than the cops that work there and go home to their quiet suburban neighborhoods to finish out their day.
I have never been arrested or incarcerated.
My knowledge of cops comes from my experience with them on the 'right side' of the law.
Doesn't really sound like you live in the inner city. Do you think that you have to be a cop to have a gun pointed at you? No, you don't. Most cities restrictive gun laws make it so that the criminal is the one that is armed in a confrontation with a typical, law-abiding city dweller..... Not the same for cops.... is it?
edit on 5-9-2012 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kastogere
If the guy didnt comply to police orders...then yes they will shoot you in those circumstances....they heard a gun shot, the door opened....and without knowing what the perp looked like they shot him.
Im surprised it doesnt happen more often.
Honestly I dont see how the police are at fault for this...granted they should have hesitated....yet when gun fire is involved would you expect any less of a reaction?
Originally posted by FraggleRock
reply to post by r2d246
So the victim should have weighed his options carefully but the police get a free pass? The victim wasn't a trained hostage. He saw freedom and ran for it. The police however, are supposed to be trained to deal with situations just like the one that was presented here. And clearly they didn't weigh their options beyond pulling the trigger.
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by baruch60610
Some people on this thread, though it may surprise you, are talking about the police and their victim,
This thread is about the police (3) that killed their victim. If one of the cops had been killed there, they would get a parade. No parades for their victim.
You may view their victim as irrelevant, but not all of us do.