Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by baruch60610
ETA: You should be sorry, you don't have a clue where I live, where I have lived or what I have dealt with in my life.
Granted. I don't have that knowledge. Still, there are very few situations outside of law enforcement or the military where you run into that sort
of thing. Maybe the ER of a hospital... welfare caseworker, that sort of thing...
Anyone that lives in the inner city experiences just as bad or worse than the cops that work there and go home to their quiet suburban
neighborhoods to finish out their day.
I have never been arrested or incarcerated.
My knowledge of cops comes from my experience with them on the 'right side' of the law.
If I sounded like I was accusing you of being a criminal, I apologize. I put that in to try to lighten the mood a little. I certainly wasn't trying
to paint you as a criminal.
For the record, much of my experience with police comes from being on the 'wrong side' of the law, so I'm not about to point my finger at anyone
In Chicago, the cops are required to live within the city limits.
Doesn't really sound like you live in the inner city. Do you think that you have to be a cop to have a gun pointed at you? No, you don't. Most cities
restrictive gun laws make it so that the criminal is the one that is armed in a confrontation with a typical, law-abiding city dweller..... Not the
same for cops.... is it?
edit on 5-9-2012 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)
You're right. I don't live in the inner city now, though I have. You don't have to live in the inner city to have a gun pointed at you. In fact, I
was *safer* in the inner city because the gang members there knew me and had my back. Don't get me wrong - these were vicious, dangerous men who
would have killed me if I had dissed them. But I respected them, and they looked after me.
I've had guns pointed at me; never in the inner city, though. It doesn't seem that in the inner city they show guns much. Keep them hidden, or use
them, but they don't seem to flash them around.
The only time I was much worried was when I had someone pointing a shotgun at me. He was a little twitchy. The other times, it was all bluster and I
knew it. Of course, I did what they told me to, because... well, you just never know.
These incidents were *all* in lily-white suburbs, BTW, by lily-white psychotics (I hang with the wrong crowd, apparently). To my knowledge, they all
had these weapons legally, too. I don't think I've ever had a criminal aim a weapon at me.
So OK, maybe it's true that in cities, only the criminals have guns. Well, no "maybe" about it, actually... Even so, the honest citizens aren't the
ones the cops have to worry are going to shoot them. So yeah, it pretty much is the same for the cops, because only the criminals are going to be
shooting them anyway.
The thing is, criminals don't wear uniforms that clearly identify them. I really don't want to hear any BS about their skin color being a "uniform"
either; most (the overwhelming majority) cops aren't like that. They don't just shoot someone because he's Black or Latino or whatever.
But still, bottom line (in my opinion): Police academy doesn't create saints. At best it takes carefully selected people and teaches them how to
handle various dangerous situations. The training is imperfect and inadequate. The humans are imperfect and inadequate. Their reactions under
stress will be imperfect and inadequate. That will always be so.
It's just not always cops shooting down minorities just for entertainment. Lots of times - probably almost all of the time - it's just a tragic
outcome of fear compounding errors until someone dies.
edit on 9/5/2012 by baruch60610 because: Fixed quoting.