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Originally posted by Kashai
As offered humans are not " walking meat computers", materilaism has exaughsted methedoligies that can imply they can somehow be considered in that sense. No mental facilities that have access to governments funding can actually practice the materialist perspective for treatment.
That includes pretty much every nation on this planet.
Any thoughts?
Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
We are not all one; consciousness is not collective, it is localized and individualized. I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but death does not open up a doorway to the godhead, or reunification with God's consciousness. It's just light's out.
Originally posted by arpgme
Originally posted by Kashai
As offered humans are not " walking meat computers", materilaism has exaughsted methedoligies that can imply they can somehow be considered in that sense. No mental facilities that have access to governments funding can actually practice the materialist perspective for treatment.
That includes pretty much every nation on this planet.
Any thoughts?
There is no "treatment". Things are just happening. If people are put into a negative environment and then turn negative - that is just happening. "treatment" is just a code-word for "making things how I want them to be".
This is not "proof" that a mind is separate from the brain. This is just demonstrating how slave-like humans are that most cannot even think beyond their environment, by actually QUESTIONING things.
Originally posted by DeliriumAquarium
The problem is IF there were "more to it", science (at least at this time) would not be able to prove or disprove it.
I find it curious how any person can make a case for either option with any certainty. There are still many, many axioms used by science, and there is still no definitive proof of "more".
In my eyes, it is a stalemate. Science in the future will be drastically different, and perhaps then we will be able to say for sure. For now, I leave you with this: Incorrect Predictions
Never say never, old chap
Originally posted by Kashai
I had a patient who had been transferred to an adult Psychiatric Unit, as a result of her having turned
21 years old. Prior to the onset of adolescents she was not schizophrenic. She was being sexually molested by her Uncle and when she did reach the age of 13, she became schizophrenic.
At this point she responded to the abuse by picking up a hammer and nails meant for concrete.
She hammered the nails into her scull, and this had been going on since she was 13.
I hope you can understand how suggesting that materialism has a problem addressing behavior
like this makes perfect sense.
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
We (and everything around us) are merely energy – proven. This is the same energy that responds to conscious thought – proven. This energy is not bound by the concepts of neither time nor space as we perceive them – proven
If you believe the prevailing opinion as expressed in the OP, what you are essentially doing is limiting (whether rightly or wrongly) human potential to the physical constructs of the body. Emotions – humor, fear, love – all are merely preprogrammed responses and are essentially no different to a computer. Your computer has instinct – its software. It has a body – the hardware. Now if your computer was in fact an advanced robot it would seem as full of life and emotion as you do.
If in 50 or less years when computer technology has advanced to be at least as intelligent than humans, will it (once it’s been uploaded with the correct software) also classify it as being ‘conscious’ or does being a computer made of flesh and bone somehow confer some special properties that those made of metal and plastic do not have?
Originally posted by openlocks
Yes and no. Obviously a conclusion is an opinion, but for it to be empirically valid then it must meet certain requirements. Any experiment or study I conduct must be done in a way so that my previous assumptions do not disturb or pollute the results. Also, I cannot use wildly abstract definitions to base my conclusions on. If I want to prove vision is processed in the occipital lobe region of the brain, then I have to use the standard definitions for things like neurons, neural pathways, axons... and so on. If I want to introduce a new definition for a word, then I have to offer a series of explanations for why this new definition is more appropriate. Either way, as long as me and another person are in agreement of the definitions, and the study or experiment is done in a valid way, then they should be able to reproduce the same results. If they can, then it is valid. We should come to the same conclusion for the theory to be valid, otherwise something is wrong with the theory or method of verification.
Awesome post by the way.
Originally posted by MamaJ
I do wonder if we are actually fallen consciousness trying to make it BACK to ...
At- one- ment.
As the true essence of who we are is just that.... At one with the creator.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Nicely put littlewolf. I enjoy your ideas.
However, let's clear up the air around your assertions, at least to not give anyone the wrong idea about a few facts.
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
We (and everything around us) are merely energy – proven. This is the same energy that responds to conscious thought – proven. This energy is not bound by the concepts of neither time nor space as we perceive them – proven
I don't think the statement "everything is merely energy" is proven. Everything has energy in it, but is not merely energy. Yes energy and mass are interconnected, and much mass is derived from the interactive energy between quarks in protons etc. but all is not energy. A quark is a particle.
Nasa theorizes that 72% of the universe is energy, dark energy to be exact. Indeed a lot of energy, but not quite 100%: Contents of the Universe
If you meant something else when you said 'energy,' then I apologize. I am only looking for clarity.
Also there's nothing to show that energy is affected by conscious thought. There's no evidence of that. Yes, there's speculation on it. I've argued this before, but refuse to do it again. Maybe in private if you wish. Check out this experiment: A quantum delayed choice experiment. It's recent and pertains to the topic.
Be careful, I am not limiting anything. A man can imagine himself on the other side of the universe for all I care—which I do fairly often enough. One shouldn't limit himself strictly to the realm of his thought. For new agers, Idealists, materialist, atheists, theists, every thought, idea and dream is derived from their own experience—those 'clunky senses' and the memory, what people label 'materialism,' limiting human potential, ignoble and irreligious—yet the very source of every single thought and memory they've ever fathomed. I don't see anything limiting about it. People should be embracing and thanking their senses and the body, not scorning them. If one scorns his senses, he should also scorn his own mind, which is directly related to the senses and rest of his body.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by 1littlewolf
Also there's nothing to show that energy is affected by conscious thought. There's no evidence of that. Yes, there's speculation on it. I've argued this before, but refuse to do it again. Maybe in private if you wish. Check out this experiment: A quantum delayed choice experiment. It's recent and pertains to the topic.
reply to post by LesMisanthrope
I don't think the statement "everything is merely energy" is proven. Everything has energy in it, but is not merely energy. Yes energy and mass are interconnected, and much mass is derived from the interactive energy between quarks in protons etc. but all is not energy. A quark is a particle.
reply to post by 1littlewolf
Maybe…. But atonement implies we have done something ‘wrong’ to begin with prior to our journey here on Earth. And as right and wrong are on the whole purely subjective the whole atonement idea creates a lot more questions than it answers. Although I do really like your play on the word at-one-ment