Kerry "Drags" Cheney's Gay Daughter into the Political Fray

Did anyone think Kerry made a cheap shot at Dick Cheney and his gay daugher? Couldn't he have addressed the issue at hand without dragging Cheney's family members into the fray? Edwards did the same thing and Cheney was more than gracious.

Is this fair game?

[edit on 04/10/14 by GradyPhilpott]

I think the topic could have been talked about without bringing anyone person into it. I think if Cheney in the VP debates wanted to bring it up its would be his choice and OK. I think its a lack of class for other people to bring it up. Not that being gay is a shame I dont think family members children in particular should be used in the debate by a opponent for any reason.

[edit on 13-10-2004 by ShadowXIX]

[edit on 13-10-2004 by ShadowXIX]

I'm a firm supporter of Kerry but I do agree with you on this. Yes ok we get it...Cheney's daughter is gay big deal.

On another note, I thought Kerry did a great job tonight during the debate...but that could be only because I thought Bush's performace was embarrasingly bad but I'll take that to another thread

I thought it was disgusting. But it's typical of Kerry and we shouldn't be surprised at how low he is willing to go.

Jemison

Dragged? he left te stage and dragged her onto it? No, he just metioned that Mr. Death To Gays has a gay daughter, which must be really weird at christmas. "So dad, how did today go? Get that bil to kill gays passed yet?"

No flip flopping here, both John Kerry and John Edwards have made a point of Dick Cheney�s daughter being a lesbian. I would say that most of America probably disagrees with this "key campaign issue", and it being raised. Leave Dick Cheney's family out of it, Halliburton anyone?

He showed his true nature...he's scum.

Originally posted by James the Lesser
Dragged?

Metaphorically dragged. You know, abstract thought?

Not only did he broach the subject, Kerry dared to speak for the woman. This was the lowest of cheapshots.

This kind of behavior might fly in the courtroom, but I don't think it will fly with the general public.



[edit on 04/10/13 by GradyPhilpott]

Yes, Your right he didn't need to talk about Cheneys daughter. Although we all know if these right wing, gun toting, bible thumping, flag waving christian fanatics had their way they would exterminate all gay people and anyone who doesn't believe as they do. imo

It was typical for Kerry to twist things around and bring up irrelevant facts. Like I always said, Kerry's a low-life snake-in-the-grass!
I think it's common knowledge that Cheney's daughter is lesbian anyway.

[edit on 13/10/04 by Intelearthling]

I love questions like this because they reflect a whole lot more about those who try to answer them. The exact words dance around the periphery of my memory, but I believe Kerry brought up Mary Cheney's name (that's the gay daughter we're talking about, for those that think they know what they're talking about) in order to highlight the fundamental lack of creditability in Bush's policies:

The Bush camp will not tolerate gay marriage and by extension not tolerate gays. Okay fine. But that's BS because Dick Cheney tolerates Mary. So what gives? Bush's creditablity.

That's Kerry's message and the reason for citing Mary Cheney.

I Think its disgusting, and ktprktpr, I have to disagree with you entirely. He attempted to attack Bush's credibility, but since when does the daughter of the vice president have ANY SAY whatsoever in legislature? Bush/Cheney doesn't support gay marriage, but does that mean the Cheney must disown his own daughter simply because she is gay?

It's not a matter of tolerance. Its a matter of family and of course, logic.

It's a low blow, this is about the government, not someone's daughter. It was disgusting. We threw a debate party at my house tonight, and the second we heard Kerry mention Cheney's daughter we all stood up and got more pizza. I'm sick of hearing these badgering, irrelevant, mud slinging absurdities.

Bush has no credibility because he's against what his Vice President's daughter supports?

You might as well say Bush has no credibility because he once shook hands with someone who once met the friend of someone whose distant cousin thinks the Socialist party is really neat.

Cheney's daughter is lesbian we all know she never has hidden the fact and I think she deserves respect for it, and good for her to show her true self, now Kerry talk about it so what. Everybody knows is not secret.

Its secrecy is not the point. The point is its irrelevance and mailcious nature.

It was PREarranged, that is why he had to fit it in somewhere, it is part of his campaign stump. Both candidates repeated themselves. Nothing really new EXCEPT Bush and his faith, he handled that with class.

Ah, feisty aren't you?

Taking things to extremes leads to irrelevance. When Kerry brought up Mary he did so within context of the Bush Administration. And you're right, it's about family. Exactly that. That's what makes the whole thing so damning ... on Bush's part. I'll put it simple and straight:

Cheney has a daughter. He supports the president. He loves his daughter. But he will not allow her to get married. He does not support a civil union of any kind for her. What the hell kind of father is that? More importantly, the thread that Kerry was leading to, is, what the hell kind of administration would do that? In politics, all things are higher level than they appear. And Bush (the Bush administration) has no creditability, in part (believe me, there are other reasons as well) because his administration is a contradiction. The vice president of the most powerful country in the world loves his daughter yet will not allow her to get married. How can one simultaneously hold damnation in one hand while holding love other? You can't.

Originally posted by Intelearthling
It was typical for Kerry to twist things around and bring up irrelevant facts. Like I always said, Kerry's a low-life snake-in-the-grass!

I think it's common knowledge that Cheney's daughter is lesbian anyway.

[edit on 13/10/04 by Intelearthling]

I thought that it was common knowledge that Iraq no longer posed a threat to America. Guess I was wrong, though.

How is it possible? The same way a judge would send their own son or daughter to jail, but would still visit them on the weekends.

If personal relationships are going to get in the way of running a country, I'm not really sure where this country is headed. Kerry was not attacking the administration HE WAS ATTACKING THEM PERSONALLY. Remember, Kerry doesn't support gay marriage either! Oh and I believe you that the Bush administration has little to no credibility, but what the hell does someone's ersonal family issues have anything to do with that? Wait a second, isn't there a war going on? Aren't there kids with no textbooks? (I can vouch for that one personally eh?)

By you saying "what the hell kind of father is that?" is admitting it was apersonal attack. This is not on a higher level than it appears, its a lower level. "The vice president of the most powerful country in the world loves his daughter yet will not allow her to get married." Being the most powerful country in the world has nothing to do with letting your daughter get married. I'm all for gay marriage, but let's not confuse the fact that this is someone's daughter, this is someone's family, and its OK to attack that on national television because youre really attacking the big bad administratin.

You can't bring up irrelevant prejudice in court, why would he do it in the debate. I understand the fact that its "politics," but maybe that's EXACTLY what needs to change.

"Kerry was not attacking the administration HE WAS ATTACKING THEM PERSONALLY."

Kerry was using Mary Cheney in order to highlight a glaring inconsistency within the Bush adminstration. The implication was the Bush adminstration is so cruel as to deny sanctioned true love between Mary and whomever. But it was not an attack upon Mary Cheney, he said nothing bad about her and we all the women's lesiban. Where's the slight? The only one I see is towards the Bush adminstration.



[edit on 13-10-2004 by ktprktpr]

Personally I thought he was making the point by using a member of the VP's family that this is very personal issue that affects a lot of people and families and that it is an important issue to a lot of people. Edwards talked more about what great parents the Cheney's were, how horrible is that?