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Originally posted by NorthernThird
Obama didn't become President until 20th January 2009.
The 2008 bailouts occurred under someone else's watch.
Can't quite remember his name, had a W in it somewhere.
Originally posted by libertytoall
Originally posted by NorthernThird
Obama didn't become President until 20th January 2009.
The 2008 bailouts occurred under someone else's watch.
Can't quite remember his name, had a W in it somewhere.
Good point. I guess I jumped the gun a bit. Don't let the message become a partisan debate though. The point is we can't afford these socialist programs and we certainly can't afford to coddle people not from this country if it means a suffering economy. Taxes are the enemy of progress and job creation and these programs severely contribute to our damaged economy.edit on 3-9-2012 by libertytoall because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by freemarketsocialist
Originally posted by libertytoall
Originally posted by NorthernThird
Obama didn't become President until 20th January 2009.
The 2008 bailouts occurred under someone else's watch.
Can't quite remember his name, had a W in it somewhere.
Good point. I guess I jumped the gun a bit. Don't let the message become a partisan debate though. The point is we can't afford these socialist programs and we certainly can't afford to coddle people not from this country if it means a suffering economy. Taxes are the enemy of progress and job creation and these programs severely contribute to our damaged economy.edit on 3-9-2012 by libertytoall because: (no reason given)
You do not seem to understand what socialism is. You sound McCarthyist.
How on earth are corporate bailouts socialism or even close?
It is crony capitalism.
Originally posted by NorthernThird
reply to post by libertytoall
So you'll edit your OP then, will you, change it to this ?
"Check out this compiled list of bailouts and take note when Obama took office in 2009 how much the bailouts reduced. Can you honestly say Bush was not a socialist? That he did not do more damage to our economy than good?"
Because we don't want partisanship, do we ?
But what we socialists really dream of is …well, actual socialism. Socialism, it must be pointed out, is not simply capitalism under control of the state (like the late USSR), or government intervening in The Market (like modern America). On the contrary, it consists of a completely different system of ownership. If you want to imagine socialism, imagine every company, factory, office, and level of government functioning as cooperatives. Ownership of production, the environment, law-making ability, and so on would be delegated evenly among everyone, in the form of councils or cooperatives. That’s it. There’s no other blueprint. We’re not advocating equal pay for everyone, or everyone living in the same kinds of houses or driving the same kinds of cars, or everyone wearing the same drab clothes, or everyone giving up their possessions and sharing each other’s toothbrushes, etc. (These are all misconceptions of socialism that I’ve heard over the years.)
Originally posted by libertytoall
Originally posted by NorthernThird
Obama didn't become President until 20th January 2009.
The 2008 bailouts occurred under someone else's watch.
Can't quite remember his name, had a W in it somewhere.
Good point. I guess I jumped the gun a bit. Don't let the message become a partisan debate though. The point is we can't afford these socialist programs and we certainly can't afford to coddle people not from this country if it means a suffering economy for the rest of us. Taxes are the enemy of progress as well as job creation and these programs severely contribute to higher taxes and less economic growth for the country.
We should legalize drugs as well and tax the crap out of it. End the war on drugs and free non violent criminals from jails. We can't afford it any other way.
edit on 3-9-2012 by libertytoall because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by libertytoall
You, are a voice of reason, in a sea of deafness. How I wish many others could hear your message.
Des
Romney's family came from England, converted to Mormonism, came to America and quickly turned to plural marriage which led them to an unexpected exile and exodus to Mexico and then just as abruptly, they fled back to the USA to avoid a revolution.
They had just twenty-five dollars, two suitcases and three bedrolls. Many families were installed in vacant tenements and several hundred were quartered in huge empty lumber sheds on Magoffin Avenue which the Long Lumber Company made available. The U.S. Army supplied rations and loaned tents from Fort Bliss. Mayor C. E. Kelly and city officials joined Church leaders in finding homes and jobs for the refugees. Congress voted $100,000 for their transportation and relief. If you calculate $100,000 for inflation from 1912, the figure turns into over $2.2 million in 2011. That's a lot of government money to people who were basically felons in the eyes of the law. Another fascinating thing happened in 1938. Mexico paid out a huge settlement to those early Mexican colonies because of the revolution. (pg.61) The colonists eventually in 1938 received from Mexico $2.65 for each $100 of loss during the revolutionary disorders. Gaskell Romney's losses were so great that he received enough to purchase a comfortable house in Salt Lake City in which he lived his last years. It's odd that Mexico would repay monies to the Mormon polygamists after so many years, but one can still make the case that the Romney family was even funded in some part by the Mexican government. To get an idea of how vast the Romney family was because of its polygamist past, in 1922, George Romney had roughly 165 first cousins. (pg.68)
Originally posted by crankySamurai
So the game is if someone criticizes our current president he has to go down the long list of other presidential screw ups? Obama has done what bush did but on a much larger scale. More wars, more dept, more federal expansion, less economic freedom and less social freedom. The difference in the presidents is not in philosophy but degree execution. If the OP wants to criticize Obama good for him he shouldn't have to hit every other president that sucked too (that would take to long). The idea is that our government has assumed to much power and control and should be drastically reduced. No recent president has been in favor of that. They have all expanded its functions.
Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by freemarketsocialist
More to the point: