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Originally posted by Thurifer
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee - Genesis 12:3 KJVAs a proud scion of Western Civilization and the Judeo-Christian tradition. I would just like to say: "God bless the IDF" That is all....
Originally posted by Soshh
I thought that the Middle East Issues forum was due another one of 'those' videos, it's been at least a week now.
The sinister music in the background gives it that certain je ne sais quoi. I'm surprised that the images were not tampered with to add glowing red eyes and little horns. C+ Must try harder.edit on 3/9/12 by Soshh because: must brush up on my french
Originally posted by sonnny1
Originally posted by TheLaughingGod
reply to post by sonnny1
But this video isn't about other videos, or other nations, or other people. It is about Israel, the jews, the so called chosen ones.. do you frequent fragile earth threads and demand the OP to not single out any specific environmental problem without mentioning the others? Where is the logic in that?
I guess we can't discuss the insanity of the nazis without mentioning the mongols or the vikings?
Pointing out the faults of others doesn't in any way diminish how disturbing some of these quotes are.
"But they're doing the same thing!"
Why shift the attention to someone or something else, this kind of behaviour deserves attention and trying to shift the blame does nothing but serve the problem.
Two wrongs don't make a right, that's kindergarten level..
Why don't you go make a thread about whatever subject you feel deserves attention.
Actually, If this thread was impartial, it would have had a few videos in it, not just the "evil Jew video", or the "evil Zionist video", that ATS SEES EVERYDAY. And that's the whole point. It has become the Norm, to demonize Israel, and America, every chance its hardcore detractors, can get.How "evil" they are, right?
edit on 3-9-2012 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jude11
Does every thread need to be impartial? What a waste of opinion in that case.
Originally posted by jude11
Please look closely at the OP again. I asked each question in general terms and stated each opinion in broad terms.
Is that impartial enough?
Peace
Originally posted by jude11
People are blind and believe only what they want and/or are told. It's disgusting that a Nation such as the US can support this hatred for money and power to the point of brainwashing not only the US citizens but much of the globe to believe otherwise.
Originally posted by jude11
You are more interested in the photography and soundtrack it seems.
Any opinion on the actual dialogue?
Peace
Originally posted by sonnny1
Originally posted by jude11
Does every thread need to be impartial? What a waste of opinion in that case.
Sure it does. If you are not willing to present the "many" other voices of evil, you play into the very same game of just blaming a certain Race or Country. Even you can see that this happens daily, on ATS, but obviously have no problem showing your absolute anger, at "these" people. Right? I thought ATS was designed to Deny Ignorance, not embrace it.
Originally posted by jude11
Please look closely at the OP again. I asked each question in general terms and stated each opinion in broad terms.
Is that impartial enough?
Peace
Like I said, Par for the Course, when it comes to the focus on Israel, and America, and NEVER a reasonable discussion on ALL the Players involved. As you also said, of America..........
Originally posted by jude11
People are blind and believe only what they want and/or are told. It's disgusting that a Nation such as the US can support this hatred for money and power to the point of brainwashing not only the US citizens but much of the globe to believe otherwise.
Many Players in this game,MANY evils but again, I see the connection, whether you're willing to concede that you have done it, or not.
I like many of your Posts/Threads, Jude, but unfortunately, this one, wasn't to my liking, because it wasn't impartial. Just stating an obvious Fact.
edit on 3-9-2012 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Soshh
Originally posted by jude11
You are more interested in the photography and soundtrack it seems.
Any opinion on the actual dialogue?
Peace
Well at least the video does a good job of highlighting Israel's sense of embattlement. That's the only nice thing I can say about it.
Is the sinister background music entirely necessary? It made the whole thing a bit silly, I felt as if I was watching a parody of a generic anti-Israel Youtube video. I'm still not sure that it wasn't a parody. I also feel that the narrator likely exaggerates the venom with which the statements were originally delivered, though obviously the video does not actually provide the original footage or audio and some of the quotes were taken from books and whatnot.
Do you think that the video has any purpose other than to convince people that Israel is bad or that Israeli politicians represent evil incarnate? As I said above, it highlights the Israeli sense of embattlement but not in a useful way. It makes no attempt to understand it and I don't see any attempt to understand it in this thread, so I hope you'll forgive me for not taking it entirely seriously.
Originally posted by jude11
Actually, I think it sounds like a National Geo special IMO.
I don't look at the purpose of a vid but rather the content. And the content was the intention for discussion.
I really hate about 90% of the vid soundtracks and agree that they are not necessary and also that they are meant to invoke an emotional response. Not necessary when talking about a subject such as this IMO.
If you look at other posts here, the "Quotes" can be verified by a search. Some are a little iffy but most are actual.
Anyways, I agree with your take on the vid and appreciate your contribution here.
Peace
Originally posted by Soshh
Originally posted by jude11
Actually, I think it sounds like a National Geo special IMO.
I don't look at the purpose of a vid but rather the content. And the content was the intention for discussion.
I really hate about 90% of the vid soundtracks and agree that they are not necessary and also that they are meant to invoke an emotional response. Not necessary when talking about a subject such as this IMO.
If you look at other posts here, the "Quotes" can be verified by a search. Some are a little iffy but most are actual.
Anyways, I agree with your take on the vid and appreciate your contribution here.
Peace
I'm not disputing the quotes, I know enough about the featured individuals to know that even if these quotes are not accurate word for word, I could likely find something broadly comparable to them.
The problem is that no sense is given of the political environment in which the statements were delivered. When viewed in a vacuum they may sound unreasonable, yet no worse than similar things being said about Israel at the time or similar things still being said about Israel even. Moreover Israel could have been at war or there could have been a suicide attack or several the day before; you get the idea.
I'm sure that you know that Israel exists in a rough neighbourhood and that none of its neighbours have ever been particularly keen on Israel being there for various reasons. Israel isn't going to continue its existence just by being nice all of the time. No country ever has. Sometimes you have to be a ruthless bastard. As it says in my signature - "Mere goodness can achieve little against the power of nature." It is sad but true.
Originally posted by jude11
I don't believe the political environment is relevant with statements of this kind.
The real issue is how the political environment allows and supports this hateful rhetoric IMO.
Peace
Originally posted by all2human
reply to post by TheLegend
I can't believe you actually typed that,he created his own history,i'm glad your 'hero' is frying in hell right now.edit on 3-9-2012 by all2human because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Soshh
Originally posted by jude11
I don't believe the political environment is relevant with statements of this kind.
The real issue is how the political environment allows and supports this hateful rhetoric IMO.
Peace
Can you explain that a bit more please because it looks to me like you contradicted yourself.
It's a bit chicken and egg. Rhetoric can be supported by the political environment in which it exists but it is also a product of it. If everyone loved Israel then you wouldn't see such a combative attitude from its politicians.
"I don't believe the political environment is relevant with statements of this kind.”