Freemasons, the Illuminati and the American Revolution

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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 08:58 AM
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((First of all, let me say I have posted this elsewhere on the forum, however it received ZERO comment and I would really appreciate it if the mods would allow me to post it here. If one of the threads has to be removed, then please remove the original thread. I put a lot of effort into this thread, I did on and off research and reading for a couple of days, then slept on it before coming to a conclusion. So I would really appreicate to be allowed to keep this here, if no discussion develops on my theories then I won't post it again, but would at least like the chance to get discussion going. If anything, I might see if I've made mistakes, so it is a further opportunity to learn about the subject.

I've also just finished reading John Robison's Proofs of a Conspiracy and I would like to see if discussion develops from this first before investing time to create a thread on what I believe is an incredible insight into the history of the Illuminati and Freemasonry also. The two do link, but not in the way I had originally believed.))

The American Revolution and the Struggle against the Banking Elite

In recent years, there has emerged a conspiracy that many of the founding fathers of American Independence were part of an agenda to further enslave the world. This conspiracy is based on the fact that many of the founding fathers were freemasons or supporters of the Enlightenment.

However, we will see through this thread that the founding fathers, despite many being freemasons, were strongly against the international bankers who wanted to use the revolution to set up another central bank. It would take over 100 years before the elite got their wish and finally set up the Federal Reserve in 1913. Out of respect to the founding fathers who stood up to the banking elite, it is only fair that this conspiracy is set right.



“Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for a peculiar and particular purpose known only to the initiated few.”

- 33rd Degree Mason Manly P. Hall, “The Secret Teachings of All Ages” (XC and XCI


If this was truly the case, then why did many of the founding fathers resist the banking cartel in setting up a central bank?



Before the Revolutionary War, the “New World” of the Americas lacked unity and autonomous identity. For almost 300 years there was no military, constitution, or federal government. Then within two short years, the snap of a historical finger, America had Continental Marines, Continental Congress, and the Articles of the Confederation. With the Declaration of Independence, the British colonialists (or “Americans”) officially separated from the British nationalists. Freemason and bloodline General George Washington became first President of the now United States of America, and royal rule of America switched from overt to covert. Royal and secret society rule had not changed, only the perception of governance changed while the same DNA stayed in office. Instead of peasants well-aware of their plight, knowing the Monarchs/Emperors oppressing them, we became peasants who actually believed we were born into a free and open system.

- The Atlantean Conspiracy, Eric Dubay



George Washington was a freemason, there is no denying this fact. However, it is a false conspiracy to assume he was working for the banking elite and part of the New World Order agenda.

To see where this conspiracy has arisen, it helps to understand the history of the Illuminati, which had emerged around the time of the American Revolution and how they had sought to infiltrate freemasonry.

The Illuminati had arisen with the aim of removing governments and religion. It is hard to tie the order with the Rothschild banking family with actual evidence, but the Illuminati agenda certainly supported the aim of the banking cabal, whose ambition is to set up one world government-



In 1776 Weishaupt organized the Illuminati to put the plot into execution. The word Illuminati is derived from Lucifer, and means ‘holders of the light’.

The Illuminati AT THE TOP, planned to use wars and revolutions to bring about the establishment of one kind or another of a One World Government, the powers of which they intended to usurp as soon as it was established. In 1785, the Bavarian Government outlawed the Illuminati and closed the lodges of the Grand Orient. In 1786, they published the details of the conspiracy. The English title is “The Original Writings of the Order and Sect of The Illuminati”. Copies of the conspiracy were sent to the heads of church and state. The power of the Illuminati was so great that this warning was ignored, as were the warnings Christ had given the world. The Illuminati went underground. Weishaupt instructed his Illuminists to infiltrate into the lodges of Blue Masonry and form a secret society within secret societies.

- William G Carr, Pawns in the Game



Discussion relating to this plot by the order of the Illuminati go back as early as the late 18th century. John Robison (1739-1805) was a Scottish scientist, who late in life wrote the one of the definitive studies of the Bavarian Illuminati.

In his work, Proofs of a Conspiracy, Robison laid the groundwork for modern conspiracy theorists by implicating the Bavarian Illuminati as responsible for the excesses of the French Revolution. The Bavarian Illuminati, a rationalist secret society, was founded by Adam Weishaupt in 1776 in what is today Germany. They had an inner core of true believers, who secretly held radical atheist and anti-monarchist views . They recruited by infiltrating the numerous (and otherwise benign) Freemasonic groups which were active at the time on the continent.

You can find the 1797 work in full here-

www.sacred-texts.com...



The Association of which I have been speaking, is the Order of ILLUMINATI, founded in 1775, by Dr. Adam Weishaupt, professor of Canon law in the university of Ingolstadt, and abolished in 1786 by the Elector of Bavaria, but revived immediately after, under another name, and in a different form, all over Germany. It was again detected, and seemingly broken up; but it had by this time taken so deep root that it still subsists without being detected, and has spread into all the countries of Europe. It took its first rise among the Free Masons, but is totally different from Free
Masonry.

It was then discovered that this and several associated Lodges were the nursery or preparation-school for another Order of Masons, who called themselves the ILLUMINATED, and that the express aim of this Order was to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government.

-John Robison, Proofs of a Conspiracy, 1797



The Illuminati was set up to be a secret society within a secret society with the plan of abolishing religion and overturning civil governments to set up a one world government. This is in line with the agenda of the banking elite (Rothschild Dynasty) to centralise everything under their control- that is the essence of the New World Order agenda.

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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 09:00 AM
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With such secret societies as Skull and Bones today, we can see how an elite have used secret societies to hide and plan their agenda, one only has to look at the French Declaration of the Rights of Man to see the influence the Illuminati had- they literally signed it-

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On top of the Declaration, sit’s the symbol of the Illuminati, the symbol of the hidden hand behind world events- the ‘All Seeing Eye.’

With this history, we can see why the conspiracy surrounding the American Revolution came into being. The hidden hand used the French and Russian Revolutions to further their agendas, hence it is easy to make the mistake of thinking the American Revolution was also part of this plan. Yet, this is not true.

As the Illuminati came into being in Europe, the revolution in America was already under way and as George Washington said himself, American freemasonry had not been infiltrated by the order-



“It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter. That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.”

- George Washington when asked about the influence of the Illuminati on American freemasonry.



To Washington, the first US president and a freemason, he didn’t think the order of the Illuminati had penetrated into America as it had in Europe.

With this in mind, let’s look at a few of the historical figures of the American Revolution, and see where their loyalties belonged-

Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson was author of the Declaration of Independence, he supported the Enlightenment and the rights of man. In drafting the declaration-



We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights; that among these, are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.



There is no evidence to suggest Jefferson was a freemason, but he held true to what the original freemasons sought- for man to be free from tyranny. Jefferson was strongly opposed to the creation of a central bank-



And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.



Benjamin Franklin

Franklin was another of the founding fathers, known as the ‘father of the country’, one of the lead figures in gaining American independence-



Franklin toured Ireland in 1771 and was astounded and moved by the level of poverty he saw there. Ireland was under the trade regulations and laws of England, which affected the Irish economy, and Franklin feared that America could suffer the same plight if Britain’s exploitation of the colonies continued.

- www.pbs.org...


During the signing of the Declaration of Independence, Franklin is quoted as saying-



At the signing, he is quoted as having replied to a comment by Hancock that they must all hang together: "Yes, we must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."



Franklin, a freemason (documented from his time in France) and huge proponent of the Enlightenment in America, supported the virtues of liberty, democracy, republicanism and religious tolerance. He was not in any way associated with the banking elites plans to set up a federal bank in the US to further their world control.

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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 09:01 AM
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Alexander Hamilton

Of the founding fathers, the one who stands out as potentially being involved in the bankers conspiracy is Alexander Hamilton. George Washington opposed the creation of a central bank, but Hamilton had been made the secretary of the Treasury and championed the idea of setting up a central bank. A federal bank was thus created in 1791 through the work of Hamilton- the “Bank of the United States”, with a 20 years' charter. Although it was termed “Bank of the United States”, it was actually the “bank of the bankers”, since it was not owned by the nation, but by individuals holding the bank's stocks, the private bankers. This name of “Bank of the United States” was purposely chosen to deceive the American population and to make them believe that they were the owners of the bank, which was not the case.




The First Bank of the United States was a national bank, chartered for a term of twenty years, by the United States Congress on February 25, 1791.

Establishment of the Bank was included in a three-part expansion of federal fiscal and monetary power (along with a federal mint and excise taxes) championed by Alexander Hamilton, first Secretary of the Treasury. Hamilton believed a central bank was necessary to stabilize and improve the nation's credit, and to improve handling of the financial business of the United States government under the newly enacted Constitution.

- wikipedia





Officially proposed to the first session of the First Congress in 1790, Hamilton's Bank faced widespread resistance from opponents of increased federal power. Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson and James Madison led the opposition, which claimed that the bank was unconstitutional, and that it benefited merchants and investors at the expense of the majority of the population.

- wikipedia



Hamilton was the first ever secretary of the Treasury and we can see, he was the main figure behind the economic policies of the Washington administration, especially in setting up a national bank. Hamilton was also involved with the creation of the Federalist Party, with Jefferson and James Madison at the lead of opposing his policies.

A lot of conspiracy writers link Alexander Hamilton to being an agent of the house of Rothschild, one such example being the following-



Directors of the Bank of England appointed one of their hirelings named Alexander Hamilton, to represent their interests in the United States. In 1780 this man, a supposed patriot, proposed the establishment of a Federal Bank. It was to be owned by PRIVATE INTERESTS as an alternative to those who insisted the issue and control of money should remain in the hands of the government elected by the people.

The Fathers of American Independence realized that if the Directors of the Bank of England obtained monopolistic control of America’s money system they would recover any money they had lost by the simple process of mortgage and foreclosure. The net result of this struggle for economic control of the nation was that Congress refused to grant the Bank of America a charter.

Benjamin Franklin died in 1790 and the agents of the International Jewish money-lenders immediately made another bid to obtain control of America’s finances. They succeeded in having Alexander Hamilton appointed Secretary of the Treasury. Hamilton had the Government charter the bank his principals had been clamouring for. It was then a simple matter to usurp the rights to issue currency based on public and private debts.

Alexander Hamilton, and Morris, were never more than hirelings of the international money-lenders.

- William G Carr, Pawns in the Game



Whilst there is no direct evidence to prove Hamilton was an agent of the Rothschild dynasty, the fact that he was acting so early to try and establish a private bank in America is perhaps all the evidence needed. By working to suit the interests of the private banking families and not for the American people, he was demonstrating where his loyalty belonged. As the champion for setting up a federal bank and forming the Federalist Party in 1791, he was working for the banking elite. He was against the work of the founding fathers.

To see how Hamilton was serving the international bankers by advocating the introduction of a federal bank, just look at the view of the Rothschild family from the time-



“Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.”

-Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.



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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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James Madison

James Madison, the 4th US president and ‘father of the bill of rights’ was against a central bank being created. He had created the democratic-republic party along with Thomas Jefferson to oppose Hamilton’s Federalist party. When he became president he sought to get rid of the ‘first Bank of the United States’ that had been set up by the Washington administration under the influence of Hamilton. There is a misquote regards Madison that is widely used, yet it’s origin still offers an insight into the time-



Here's a little more context for the "money changers" quote. Dwinell's The Story of Our Money is apparently both the original source for the quote and where the confusion arose. On pages 70-71, there is a quote from Alexander Hamilton, followed by a note, then a couple more sentences:

“Among other material differences between a paper currency, issued by the mere authority of Government, and one issued by a bank, payable in coin (and that is not done), is this: That, in the first case (government issuance), there is no standard to which an appeal can be made, as to the quantity which will only satisfy, or which will surcharge the circulation: in the last (bank issuance of paper), that standard results from the demand.”

NOTE:—Weasel words; the demand does not refer to the demands of business and the people but to the whims of private corporations. And that the government could have no standard of a nations currency needs is just so much bosh.

Hamilton's whole monetary policy is based on unconstitutional grounds and unsound reasoning, and fraudulent statements. His policies were fought through the whole public career of Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Randolph and many another truly great lover of Republican Government.

His policies have proved to be more destructive of our independent and democratic form of government than the old subjugation of the Colonies by Great Britain. The deliberations in Congress over Hamilton's Bank Bill, and the opinions of members of The Cabinet show the intensity of feeling between the private money interests and those supporting the Constitution. History records that the “money changers” have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.




The bolded part is a quote often falsely accredited to Madison himself, but it offer s great insight into the reasons why the likes of Jefferson, Franklin and Madison were opposed to the creation of a privately owned bank.

Madison had rejected the renewal of the charter for the ‘first Bank of the United States’ in 1811, yet events took America to war with Britain in 1812, and by 1816, Madison was forced to agree to a new charter, this time for the ‘second Bank of the United States’.

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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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Andrew Jackson

The model of this bank was the same as the first, similar to the Bank of England and the Bank of France (which was created after the French Revolution), namely privately owned banks that allowed the bankers to suck up a nation’s worth. Under Andrew Jackson, the 7th US president, it led to what was known as the ‘Bank War’. Jackson believed that the bank’s reauthorisation was unconstitutional and that it favoured financial elites, violating social equality.

To understand president Jackson’s view of central banks, he said it best himself-



Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!

-Andrew Jackson, letter from May, 1833



With such a stance, it is interesting to note that Andrew Jackson was also a freemason. If the banking elite were using freemasonry to manipulate governments, then Andrew Jackson offers undeniable evidence that not all freemasonry had been infiltrated. The fact that Jackson helped disband the ‘second Bank of the United States’ and went directly against the banking elite shows this to be the case.

The American Civil War and the lengths the bankers went to in their ever lasting battle to ensure control of America

The American Civil war came at the cost of 750,000 lives and lasted between 1861 and 1865. It was between the southern states who broke from the US and formed the ‘Confederacy.’ The north was victorious leading to the end of slavery in the United States.

However, what ‘official history’ does not recognise is that the Civil war increased the power of the Federal Government and was one of the major steps towards setting up the federal reserve system.

The American civil war is one of the earliest examples of the international cabal of bankers using divide and conquer strategy to get what they wanted- which came with the ‘National Bank Act’ of 1864 during the war as once more, they gained control of the banking system-



PLAN OF DESTRUCTION

In the years following Independence, a close business relationship had developed between the cotton growing aristocracy in the South and the cotton manufacturers in England. The European bankers decided that this business connection was America's Achilles Heel, the door through which the young American Republic could be successfully attacked and overcome.

The Illustrated University History, 1878, p. 504, tells us that the southern states swarmed with British agents. These conspired with local politicians to work against the best interests of the United States. Their carefully sown and nurtured propaganda developed into open rebellion and resulted in the secession of South Carolina on December 29, 1860. Within weeks another six states joined the conspiracy against the Union, and broke away to form the Confederate States of America, with Jefferson Davis as President.

- Des Griffin, Descent into Slavery





The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over Europe and the world. Of Course, in the "inner circle" of Finance, the voice of the Rothschilds prevailed.

They saw an opportunity for prodigious booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, burdened with debt to the financiers,... in place of a vigorous Republic sufficient unto herself. Therefore, they sent their emissaries into the field to exploit the question of slavery and to drive a wedge between the two parts of the Union.... The rupture between the North and the South became inevitable; the masters of European finance employed all their forces to bring it about and to turn it to their advantage.

- G. Edward Griffin, The Creature From Jekyll Island



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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 09:05 AM
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The Civil War today is remembered as a war that ended slavery. However, this was a by product of what it was really about, Abraham Lincoln himself stated-



“I have no purpose directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

- Abraham Lincoln; Abraham Lincoln: Speeches and Writings, 1859-1895



The Civil War was a creation of the bankers, an early example of divide and conquer by the elite to further their agenda. It was also the first example of industrialised modern warfare, it left 750,000 Americans dead. Remember-



History records that the “money changers” have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.



It is interesting to note that Russia, whose monarchy later fell during the Russian Revolution that was instigated by the international bankers, may well have saved America during the civil war-



Tsar Alexander II - who, incidentally, had never allowed a central bank to be established in Russia - notified Lincoln that he stood ready to militarily align with the North. [...] Knowing that war was being considered by his enemies, Tsar Alexander decided to play a chess game of his own. [...] The fact that neither France nor England at that time wanted to risk becoming involved in an open war with the United States and Russia led them to be extremely cautious with overt military aid to the South. [...] Without the inhibiting effect of the presence of the Russian fleet, the course of the war could have been significantly different.

- G. Edward Griffin, The Creature From Jekyll Island



No wonder that once the Federal Reserve had finally been created, the Russian Revolution was next on the agenda during WW1. The elite move through nations, essentially ticking them off, much as they are doing right now in the middle east.

After the Civil War and the progress it brought the bankers through the ‘National Bank Act’ of 1864, the elite did not take a step backwards, they continued their battle until the Federal Reserve was created in 1913. America, despite the work of the founding fathers and their challenge to the financial elite, had finally succumbed to their control.

So whilst the elite use revolutions to increase their control, hopefully this thread has shown that the Illuminati had only just begun infiltrating freemasonry at the time of the American Revolution. The freemasons among the founding fathers and those who supported the enlightenment were not working for the banking cabal. They were men who genuinely put their lives on the line to organise American independence, to set up a free and prosperous country where man who free from religious and political tyranny.

The founding fathers and the presidents who came after them tried their best to stop the bankers taking control. However, as the thread also shows, the international cabal behind the New World Order are relentless. They did everything in their power to take control of America, achieving their goal seemingly permanently in 1913, just one year before WW1.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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great lil run down...

I usually just simply reply to people that claim that the Founding Fathers were apart of some big scheme to screw over people by saying 'you're crazy'... I like your approach better lol.

I'm still on the fence with Hamilton... I just think that his ideals gave invitation to corruption and/or exactly what we see today. Yet, that's just banking in general really...

I've posted this two times before on ATS... one more wont hurt. It's a fantastic lecture/talk about the founding fathers, banking and Alexander Hamilton.

Gotta love those libertarians... I give this video a 9/10



An interesting bit of history... often left out of the conversation when talking about banking and the civil war...




During the 1850s and the American Civil War, cotton diplomacy was the idea that Britain and France required cotton from the South (see King Cotton). However, the Confederate States of America significantly overestimated the leverage that the cotton trade would give them.


Good try Confederate States of America... a little economic war strategy that completely FAILS!

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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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Nice thread Wanderer, I've also read Proofs, very fascinating book



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Very insightful thread Op and I appreciate the way you broke it down. It is my belief even JFK tried to turn us around however we see what that got him.

So what do you see happening in the near future? Collapse? And then what!



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Once you begin to cite William Guy Carr and Eric Dubay as sources, you've lost credibility in my opinion, sorry. No good scholarship is founded on belief in faulty premises. You can't build a strong argument on a weak foundation.
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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
great lil run down...

I usually just simply reply to people that claim that the Founding Fathers were apart of some big scheme to screw over people by saying 'you're crazy'... I like your approach better lol.

I'm still on the fence with Hamilton... I just think that his ideals gave invitation to corruption and/or exactly what we see today. Yet, that's just banking in general really...

I've posted this two times before on ATS... one more wont hurt. It's a fantastic lecture/talk about the founding fathers, banking and Alexander Hamilton.

Gotta love those libertarians... I give this video a 9/10



An interesting bit of history... often left out of the conversation when talking about banking and the civil war...




During the 1850s and the American Civil War, cotton diplomacy was the idea that Britain and France required cotton from the South (see King Cotton). However, the Confederate States of America significantly overestimated the leverage that the cotton trade would give them.


Good try Confederate States of America... a little economic war strategy that completely FAILS!

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Thanks for the video link


From that and what I've read, it would not be too 'out there' to believe that Hamilton was an agent of the banking elite (Rothschilds) for he was certainly serving what they wanted.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Sinny
Nice thread Wanderer, I've also read Proofs, very fascinating book


Cheers Sinny


It certainly is, I've learnt a lot about freemasonry and the origins of the Illuminati from it. Going to be difficult putting it all into a thread though haha!



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by MamaJ
Very insightful thread Op and I appreciate the way you broke it down. It is my belief even JFK tried to turn us around however we see what that got him.

So what do you see happening in the near future? Collapse? And then what!


I honestly don't know what to expect, but I agree JFK paid the price for trying to stand up to them.

What I understand from posting my thread is that freemasonry was infilitrated, many are good people and don't understand what the higher ups know. The elite created a secret society within a secret society, serving an agenda hiding within an otherwise benign society.

Personally I think we are headed to WW3- and that is how the hole notion of nations and religions will be laid to rest and the 'NWO' can emerge.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
Once you begin to cite William Guy Carr and Eric Dubay as sources, you've lost credibility in my opinion, sorry. No good scholarship is founded on belief in faulty premises. You can't build a strong argument on a weak foundation.
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In reference to Eric Dubay, my thread is actually going against the conspiracy he believes on this occasion



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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Hi,

I have a copy of "Proofs..." that was printed from the original plates by the Masonic Lodge of Research in my state. The original is very difficult to read because of that wacky "f without a line" for "s".

"Prooff of a Confpiracy againft all the Religionf and Governmentf of Europe... etc"

There is a link to a proper manuscript here:

Proofs of a Conspiracy against all the Religions and Governments of Europe, carried on in the secret meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies

In fact, Sacred-Texts has just about any book that a Confpiracy Theorift would ever want. For free.

I think this is a great topic, and I'd love to chime in after I really digest it. As an observation, though, while the Freemasons and Illuminati in Europe weren't conspiring to destroy religion and government, they did gather in secret because they would be possibly killed if they discussed their egalitarian ideas in public.



posted on Sep, 3 2012 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by emsed1
Hi,

I have a copy of "Proofs..." that was printed from the original plates by the Masonic Lodge of Research in my state. The original is very difficult to read because of that wacky "f without a line" for "s".

"Prooff of a Confpiracy againft all the Religionf and Governmentf of Europe... etc"

There is a link to a proper manuscript here:

Proofs of a Conspiracy against all the Religions and Governments of Europe, carried on in the secret meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies

In fact, Sacred-Texts has just about any book that a Confpiracy Theorift would ever want. For free.

I think this is a great topic, and I'd love to chime in after I really digest it. As an observation, though, while the Freemasons and Illuminati in Europe weren't conspiring to destroy religion and government, they did gather in secret because they would be possibly killed if they discussed their egalitarian ideas in public.


I look forward to what you have to say on the matter.

You make an interesting point which I think the 'elites' as it were have adapted, they saw the power of freemasonry and their ability to meet in secret- whether for good or bad. The point is they saw the use of secret societies as a great tool to hide their work and progress without detection.

Thanks for the link, I believe that is the one I was using to read it. It is an incredible book, the level of detail and the fact Robison was a freemason himself, it's really interesting to say the least.



posted on Sep, 3 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Wonderer2012
In reference to Eric Dubay, my thread is actually going against the conspiracy he believes on this occasion
If you get the time, read this and you'll find how weak Carr is too.



posted on Sep, 3 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Wonderer2012
Thanks for the link, I believe that is the one I was using to read it. It is an incredible book, the level of detail and the fact Robison was a freemason himself, it's really interesting to say the least.
You should brush up on the differences between United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) Freemasonry and Grand Orient of France (GODF) Freemasonry. Robison was a British Mason and what he was worried about was continental Freemasonry, not UGLE. Though the schism happened a bit later, the foundations were there. French Freemasonry allows women and atheists and can actively be involved in politics. Most of the rest of Freemasonry in the world is based on the British system, which disallows all of those things.



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by Wonderer2012
In reference to Eric Dubay, my thread is actually going against the conspiracy he believes on this occasion
If you get the time, read this and you'll find how weak Carr is too.


Well, the Albert Pike letter was commented on as early as 1925.

So even with this date, it is well before WW2 yet summed up the events very well! For that alone, I give it credit. It also sets up were the world is today with us on the verge of a military option in Iran. Carr was wrtiting n the 50's so credit is due there also.

William Carr knew his stuff, I've researched a lot of his topics.

I don't know why you just disregard everything as wrong when you're not always right. Deep down, you must know this?



posted on Sep, 4 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Wonderer2012
Well, the Albert Pike letter was commented on as early as 1925.


Can you link the publication?





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