A new country in North America? What do Canadians and Americans make of this?

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Wait they might get a majority with QS

Well looks like the PQ take the win, far from a majority i am glad to say.

I hope to keep Canada united, and that their term in office results in the same outcome as the last few times in office.

Anyways congratulations Quebec, i hope this was the best decision, time will soon tell.

In a surprising turn of events, students of quebec will storm Parliament building in Quebec city who did not get the issue of tuition hikes addressed. They will declare a coup d'etat of the national assembly and form the socialist democracy of Quebec. All Quebec students working at army bases in Quebec will turn against Canada, and join the Socialist Democracy of Quebec. They declare themselves Generals, under command of Supreme Commander Pierre Poutine.

airspace dogfights ensue using Harper's precious new Jets, which ultimately become destroyed and wasted due to the civil war. Canadian troops invade Quebec and defeat Pierre Poutine. Quebec territory then becomes part of Ontario, forming "Greater Ontario" or as the french will know it "La Ontario Grande"

reply to post by DivineEvolution


Or Quebec will keep milking the rest of Canada dry until it is ready to leave.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by CALGARIAN

Originally posted by ipsedixit
5. Referencing number 3 above, possible immediate seizure of large areas of territory by the Canadian Army, inaugurating the long and bloody Quebec War (think Bosnia in the 1990's), which will reduce Quebec to a small "territory" along the St. Lawrence river.

This is exactly what will happen.

I met someone back in the early 1990s who was in the Canadian Army who had been on exercises designed around the invasion of Quebec. The possibility of the kind of seizure of territory I mentioned is very serious and real.

This was very real during the '95 Referendum. The orders were, as I posted back on the early pages of the thread, to go in and seize Canadian assets. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd Battalions of the RCR were on high alert and if the vote had gone yes, they were going over the border to hold Canadian assets. The units in Quebec were aware of this and I would assume most of them would have been on side with the CF, although I am sure a few would have been separatists but the majority would have remained loyal to Canada.

The other thing that hasn't been mentioned much is this little fact...

More than 92% of Québec's territory is Crown land. This heritage and the natural resources that it contains are developed to contribute to the socioeconomic development of all regions of Québec.

www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca...

I am sure the British Monarchy may have some serious issues with any land grabs by an independent Quebec. So 8% of the province isn't considered Crown land plus the Native lands, that doesn't leave a whole left for New Quebec does it?

It's all moot anyway, as the PQ didn't get a majority and even with an alliance with the QS, who wouldn't be in any hurry to split Quebec anyway, they don't have enough seats to try and split Canada in two. I guess all those separatists are going to have zip up their pants now, they don't get to screw Canada like the dreamed.

Better luck next time.

The Royal 22nd Regiment, the "Van Doos", would be the fly in the ointment. They are the largest regiment in Canada, the most French speaking and all three of their regular battalions are stationed in Quebec.

Plus they are a top notch infantry regiment . . . defending the homeland. They would be serious trouble.

en.wikipedia.org...

Of course heavy armour would role into Gaspe from New Brunswick and take the south side of the St. Lawrence like Rommel. Between that and the Army and Air Force support from the ROC, the Van Doos would be pushed down to the north side of the river and . . . armistice.

Then diplomatic negotiations and terrorist activity start, leading to a final peace that satisfies nobody.

reply to post by ipsedixit


I would expect the Van Doos to be mostly on side with Canada. Yes some of them would have gone the other way but from my understanding, the majority of them were on board with Canada. This is from talking to some of them personally not long afterwards. Like I said, the units in QC where aware of what the orders where.

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Interesting.

I'm not really that close to military people in Canada. I run into them mostly by accident, but being from New Brunswick myself, the home of WW2's 8th Hussars, I know about Camp Gagetown and a little bit about tanks.

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I live in NB, about ten minutes from where the 8th is garrisoned.

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I don't want to give away too much about me. But the army guys I went to school with were all associated with the 8th Hussars.

Sound grenade(?) just went off during her acceptance speech, right after she declared that they would have their own country, and security forces whisked her off for a couple of minutes. Outside scene shows someone on the ground and a police officer handling a rifle. People had been asked to leave calmly and were doing so. But five minutes later, she is back , resuming her speech for the few people left in the hall. This is indeed such a weird night.

Someone set off a blaze outside one of the exits from the building. A man dressed weirdly in shorts, a headscarf, no shirt but wearing a bathrobe was hauled away in handcuffs shouting that "the English are rising". Two others were injured. Ambulance and firemen at the scene. Being covered live on CBC TV. report says two people were shot and critically injured.

Originally posted by Grayarea

Originally posted by salmoneggs
Canada needs Quebec for its resources and cash.

That is just way too funny to not post a reply.

Do you know that out of the 25 billion Alberta pays in transfer payments, Quebec takes 7 billion, and that Quebec has choosen to NOT develop it's resources?

No Canada does not need to keep feeding a welfare province that starts crying about separating every so many years because they want more AGAIN.

Time to get off the nipple and fly, be free, good luck with that......

Alberta doesnt pay Quebec a dime. Alberta pays the same equalization tax regardless of Quebec being separate or not. It goes in the federal pot. Yes Quebec gets a large portion of that pot to fund the social programs but there is also a lot of french men paying top dollar taxes there. As for resources, whether they are being developed now or not, they will be needed at some point. If Canada didnt want anything from Quebec we woulda let les whiners go long time ago.

"Video shows man with gun outside of where new Quebec premier Marois spoke; police had man surrounded and on the ground - @CBCAlerts"

"Regarding the event that just happened at Metropolis : 2 people injured and 1 person arrested. More info will follow shortly. #Qc2012"

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There will be serious social disorder in Quebec if separatism becomes a real possibility and it won't just be the English. The First Nations folks in Quebec are as anti-separatist as anyone in the province.

The events in Quebec are being reported as they occur on France24 news in France where a panel discussion on Quebec is taking place.

A gunshot just went off during her acceptance speech, right after she declared that they would have their own country, and security forces whisked her off for a couple of minutes. Outside scene shows someone on the ground and a police officer handling a rifle. People had been asked to leave calmly. But five minutes later, she is back , resuming her speech. This is indeed such a weird night. Someone set off a blaze outside one of the exits from the building. A man dressed weirdly in shorts, a headscarf, no shirt but wearing a bathrobe was hauled away in handcuffs shouting that "the English are rising". Two others were injured. Ambulance and firemen at the scene. Being covered live on CBC TV. report says two people were shot and critically injured.

MKultra slave? (MKultra was coincidently developed at McGill University) or well-paid trouble-maker meant to ruffle feathers of Quebecers ? Such an outburst will encourage the nationalism/separatism in the french populace.

Okay, I've changed my predictions of fancy amusement.

MKultra slaves of McGill University will program another James Holmes type of lone gunman to assassinate the newly elected PQ leader, enraging the french canadians. The gunman will be just like this guy, saying english Canada rules you frogs, we will take you over etc. This will fan the flames of seperation and they will finally seperate.

Quebec will seperate, and then commit terrorist attacks on english canada. Harper will be kidnapped by a Quebec terrorist organization, and will be forced to eat poutine until he suffocates. All of the sudden, the new PQ leader declares that he's the reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte to rule the New World under a french empire. PQ leader is declared emporor of Canada. everyone gets a french girlfriend. all stop signs are changed to arret. poutine becomes the only thing Canadians can eat.

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Are they indicating their support for the idea of a separate nation? Keep us posted, please?

Ah hell, one of the victims has died. Identity unknown but a man in his 40s. This is already a tense and bizarre night.

Police say that more than one firearm was recovered.

They're all basically French right, with French customs? If they have nothing in common with Canadians then why don't they just relocate to France???

reply to post by aboutface

The discussion had broken away to the shooting incident by the time I got to it and now the news has moved to other topics but I am sure they will revisit the topic. The French have had all sorts of opinions on Quebec but lately the French have been more welcoming of Quebec culture. Quebecois pop stars have had a big impact in France over the years. Quebecois are no longer seen as figures of fun in France.

Originally posted by DaesDaemar
They're all basically French right, with French customs?

Alas, no. Even the French from France are not all basically French. Quebec is much different. They really only have a tincture of French in them. They are really more like people from Manitoba who happen to speak French, than like people from France.

If they have nothing in common with Canadians then why don't they just relocate to France???

They have everything in common with Canadians except language and the Code Napoleon (like law in Louisiana). They just want to have it all their own way and to ride roughshod over everyone else in Quebec in a kind of like or lump it way. Their britches are pinching them. They want pie in the sky and tangerine dreams.

Who the gods want to destroy, they first make crazy.

A little more on the shooting at the acceptance speech rally:

www.cbc.ca...