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Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by NotAnAspie
There seems to be a misunderstanding here. I used the Pope as an example of a person with status who didn't gain that status through wealth. If he got his status from God, then it wasn't by materialism.
The point's still the same even if you take the Pope from the list. I'd be happy to discuss the materialism v. status question, or the one that was the basis for this thread, war crimes. I've stated my position on both, do you disagree with either?
Originally posted by charles1952
I am honestly not trying to be insulting to the Archbishop. He just hasn't been in my mind for a while and my file on him comes up pretty empty.
What has he been doing this century?
How old is he, is he still mentally competent?
Does he control a country or a large corporation?
Why should we care for his opinion more than a rock star's?
I suppose I'm asking why does his opinion matter, why should we take it seriously?
Since you believe prosecuting the past will not correct the future, I presume you're against all forms of punishment for any crime, or does the same principle not apply to Joe public?
Your arguments leave me dumbfounded. WOW!. LOL. what can I say...
try raise a child that way and see what type of monster you create.
I cant think of even 1 good reason these liars & murderers shouldn't get a day in court. quite the opposite actually. when you hold the public trust... you should be held to a much higher standard. which means much more severe penalties for F'ing up and lying.
Originally posted by SepticSceptic
With all due respect, why just Tony Blair and George W? Why isn't the current President tried as well? He didn't start it, but by allowing it to continue has definitely condoned it, just as guilty a offense. Also, the U.S. and Great Britain were not the only ones there..
9 Bosnia and Herzegovina
14 Czech Republic
35 New Zealand
46 South Korea
55 United Arab Emirates
Shouldn't they be tried as well? Oh... I get it, it's the whole America and Great Britain is the devil thing. To borrow slang from my cousins across the pond in G.B...... BOLLOCKS!!
How many of them fabricated the evidance or knew of its fabrication, our PM'a suck big time but did they just honour their alegances or did they take part in the game, or at very least have knowledge of it.
James Clapper, the director of U.S. National Intelligence and formerly the director of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, in 2003 cited satellite imagery suggesting materials had been moved out of Iraq in the months before the war.
My own evidence, for what it is worth, is purely anecdotal. As I drove east from Damascus in mid-March 2003 to cross the border into Iraq, my Iraqi Kurdish companion said he had spoken to Kurdish truck drivers who regularly used the road.
They reported an unusual build-up of traffic out of Iraq in previous days. Closed convoys of unmarked trucks, which other drivers were forbidden from approaching or overtaking, had been streaming across the border into Syria.
In this case, the surprise isn’t the data but the source. Wikileaks’ new release from purloined files of the Department of Defense may help remind people that, contrary to popular opinion and media memes, the US did find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and in significant quantities. While the invasion of Iraq didn’t find huge stockpiles of new WMDs, it did uncover stockpiles that the UN had demanded destroyed as a condition of the 1991 truce that Saddam Hussein abrogated for twelve years (via Instapundit):
To all those who are basically saying "What's the point in prosecuting them now, it wouldn't change anything.", what if we treated all suspected criminals like that ?
The argument "It doesn't matter what happened in the past, it's where we go from here." is just the sort of unintelligent statement that Blair used to come out with.
Yes, Aim64C, how pathetic Your reasoning has become.