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Topic started on 1-9-2012 @ 04:52 AM by ErroneousDylan

Birds hold 'funerals' for dead


www.bbc.co.uk
Some birds, it seems, hold funerals for their dead.

When western scrub jays encounter a dead bird, they call out to one another and stop foraging.

The jays then often fly down to the dead body and gather around it, scientists have discovered.

The behaviour may have evolved to warn other birds of nearby danger, report researchers in California, who have published the findings in the journal Animal Behaviour.
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reply posted on 1-9-2012 @ 04:59 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by ErroneousDylan

As we get further ahead in consciousness studies and empathy, I honestly believe society will see animals in a new light. It won't stop some of them from being tasty. What might happen is we'll begin to see consciousness, sentience, empathy in broader terms than yes and no.



reply posted on 1-9-2012 @ 05:02 AM by ollncasino
reply to post by ErroneousDylan



Certainly, birds appear to be more intelligent than we often give them credit for.

For instance, birds are some of the few animals beside man that use tools.

Bird intelligence Tool Use
Bird's Tool Use Called 'Amazing'

• Crows in urban Japan have innovated a technique to crack hard-shelled nuts by dropping them onto crosswalks and letting them be run over and cracked by cars. They then retrieve the cracked nuts when the cars are stopped at the red light.

• Macaws have been shown to utilize rope to fetch items that would normally be difficult to reach.

• Striated Herons use bait to catch fish.

Bird intelligence Tool Use





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reply posted on 1-9-2012 @ 05:04 AM by winofiend
reply to post by Kandinsky



Maybe..

But do you think that given the possible fact that animals may be comparatively as intelligent as humans despite them showing it in different ways, it would stop people eating animals? Or simply cause more apathy towards animals with a new belief that even intelligent animals are nothing more than food for human consumption?

I think it'd simply cause more people to shrug their shoulders and eat whatever is put in front of them.




reply posted on 1-9-2012 @ 05:07 AM by JibbyJedi
reply to post by Kandinsky



Well said.

I would probably weep if I saw a bird funeral in progress. I also feel animals are far more connected than we are to the grid. We could learn a lot from quieting our minds and paying more attention to nature.


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reply posted on 1-9-2012 @ 05:13 AM by SpearMint
reply to post by selfharmonise



I know some birds are quite smart or good at problem solving, I don't think they're capable of holding a funeral though.
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reply posted on 1-9-2012 @ 05:13 AM by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Kandinsky



Reminds me of this video on The Empathetic Civilisation and Mirror neurons.




reply posted on 1-9-2012 @ 05:17 AM by selfharmonise
reply to post by SpearMint



Define funeral.....



reply posted on 1-9-2012 @ 05:24 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by winofiend

It's hard to say. A similar controversy to the Abolitionist Movement could occur as the right to life and quality of life would be disputed in similar ways. In the West particularly, we'd be very resistant to the idea and the evidence. Probably wouldn't stop us eating bacon, but guilt might take the greatness from the taste. Sheesh...

reply to post by woodwardjnr

Hiya Woodsy, I'm listening to the video right now and it's good. Just did a quick search for mirror neurons and corvids/crows - not a lot out there yet. The questions in your video are actually very good indeed. Thanks for that.


reply posted on 1-9-2012 @ 05:33 AM by SpearMint
Originally posted by selfharmonise
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post by SpearMint



Define funeral.....


Noun:
The ceremonies honoring a dead person, typically involving burial or cremation.

What are you getting at?


reply posted on 1-9-2012 @ 05:48 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by RealSpoke

This bugs me. It's as if years of video footage and academic studies never get a chance to connect and solidify the concept of some animals being conscious of grief, separation and loss.

Instead, we get it presented like it's some crazy rumour. It seems there's a reluctance to get down and dirty with the connotations.
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